RimWorld

RimWorld

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veoba 13 hours ago 
@Rovstam
well if we talk about errors in log - now with my 500+ modlist i have a bunch of them on game start, most of them as i can understand - not a big mess at all and will not break the game (well, maybe one of them but im not got to that lategame where it can see it) And the ones that bother me, that happens in game exactly. For now its that "job driver".
veoba 13 hours ago 
No problems and thanks for understanding, kind man. Also - this is the original PUaH im using, last updated 28.08 - https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1279012058
SM forked by a good modder as for me, cos he made interesting updates - https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/changelog/3566334235
I dont like what "memegoddes" makes but its up to you and others.
And speaking about logs - just you wait...
Rovstam 13 hours ago 
No this mod does not need a rewrite. It's just unfeasible, unless author approves it. It would be better to make an open source with pull requests thing on github, so it doesn't take 9 months.

This is none of my business anyway. I only said what needed to be said. I've played a lot with lots of mods and this one, in particular, is just a nightmare when used with other mods.

Similar to Vanilla expanded framework and anything related to it. You can't just dump mods on top of mods and expect the game to run without consequences. You need to get a curated modlist or suffer the consequences.
avil  [author] 13 hours ago 
Would be a nice start to see a proper list of mods. When I said "it just works" I wasn't trying be funny or dismissive. There are multiple versions of PUaH. Last one I used was
https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3513718710
and played the whole spaceship campaign without any blocker-level issues. It's like 100 hours or so. There were some issues at first, but they fizzled out overtime (assuming it was just some 1.5 to 1.6 transition problems), and definitely nothing among that would make the game unplayable. I understand that YOU people have problems, but it's hard for me to relate, so I ask you to make it as relatable as possible so I have something to start with. I can only ask an apology if my phrasing or lack of understanding agitates you.
veoba 13 hours ago 
One thing i want to clarify - im using this fork of SM and if you interested look at this changlog:
https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/changelog/3566334235
veoba 13 hours ago 
Rovstam already told about that 10 jobs at onetime. they also appears in my log. But will come with more info later. Still not at home.
veoba 13 hours ago 
No, its not this mod. Because i played with CS and w\o SM 3 months before but that kind of errors happened.
veoba 13 hours ago 
Seriously, avil. Do it. UUUUggg, sadly passed away, his mother gave a permission to do whatever modders want to his mods. You can even try to use help of LLM software. Its not the same when person who know a little about codding and on other hand who used to it trys to deal with cloud programming. i now see how tons of that LLM crap fill workshop and modders don't even understand how to fix this or that, cos LLM progs cant be compared to human at all, whatever all those propaganda says.
avil  [author] 13 hours ago 
Doesn't ring a bell. Are they your friend? Mod sources are open, they can make a contribution any time. I'll list them among contributors.
Am I right to assume that you've found the source of your issues?
veoba 13 hours ago 
Hmmmm, maybe his name start on 'a'?
veoba 13 hours ago 
And is it possible that "someone experienced in codding" maybe you just KNOW that good person will implement all functionality of SM in this good mod? Hmm? Not that much, as i understand, only 130kb of code?
Any thoughts? That would be a common sense, ya know?
avil  [author] 13 hours ago 
Yeah, would be nice. You know any?
avil  [author] 13 hours ago 
DLL, there are certain methods that can't be just "slightly changed", but rather rewritten from scratch. And so happened that both mods try to completely rework the same method(s), causing hard incompatibility.
veoba 13 hours ago 
You mean its hardcoded in dll or in xml, by patch?
avil  [author] 14 hours ago 
It was long time ago, but if I remember right they attempt to rewrite the same method.
veoba 14 hours ago 
@avil
can you clarify what exactly this mod and smart med cant handle with each other?
veoba 14 hours ago 
Ow...that ones...
Not a solution for me.
avil  [author] 14 hours ago 
Cleansweepers are from biotech dlc. Micro stands for micromanagement.
veoba 14 hours ago 
What are this mods "cleansweepers and micro some stuff" - cant find them.
veoba 14 hours ago 
Lol - BAAAAN THIS GUY!!! IM TELLING YEAH HES NOT RIGHT IM RIGHT!!! DEAL WITH IT OR ROLL OVER!!! WUAHHHH, BARK-BARK!!!11
Yes exactly the same error as i remember. And something else.
But you just touched a thing that i had in my mind but it wasn't quite polite to say it right away - this mod needs total rewrite.
Rovstam 14 hours ago 
it does indeed make sense, and i don't blame the author in any way. It's just that such 'compabilities' are not expected in the work process and fixing it would require to rewrite the entire system and it's just impossible to even consider it.

Your best bet? Don't use it. Get cleansweepers and micro some stuff, or disable all other mods to just use this.

You choose.
Rovstam 14 hours ago 
Yes. It always creates 10 jobs in a tick, interacts with jobgives, pawn memories, stuff that it shouldnt interact with because these mods essentialy rely in the same system.

It's like stacking a car in a car in a car and keeping the same 4 wheels all the time. It will just not go.
veoba 14 hours ago 
@ Rovstam
Which mod? This one?!
Rovstam 15 hours ago 
(PSSST I mentioned repeatedly this mod is in my Blacklist, for a reson. It should have given you a hint)
Rovstam 15 hours ago 
Yes you do since you haven't done it bruh.
Rovstam 15 hours ago 
I have made countless red error reports. That is the way.

Sometimes you even need to export the save, config files and modlist.
If that were to ever be needed, use Mediafire for it. Not paid for this but it works well.
veoba 15 hours ago 
Ow seriously - you think i need your advice's how to make logpub and other things? You missing the point of my comments - the best way to see the problem is to meet it yourself.
But if Avil just don't want to waste his time - ok, im fine with this and absolutely understand him. He can just say it clearly - no problems at all. No complaints. No jokes!
But then don't give to user all these arrogant, haughty questions and phrases.
Rovstam 15 hours ago 
Discussions -> Create discussions

Now:
Enable dev mode in options
Click on red error

Copy red error, paste it on discussion post
Upload logs (green button)
Paste in on post

Send post. That's how you do a proper report.
veoba 15 hours ago 
Just look at CE devs, or Just or Ushanka and many others with whom i dealt, posting about errors - always ready to help (except piece of shit called Mlie). Not a single time i heard from them - that im a aggressive, vocal guy, etc.
ALSO- not a s single try to insult or rud you!
veoba 15 hours ago 
But you understand it also - ppl never play with only one mod in house - I bet not even you. Right now im not at my main PC. So no need to telling that -"I'll leave the angry comment now, but will actually investigate the problem later". I have rimsort - and sorting mods in it. I dont have a steam app on this PC. Typing from web-version.
So if you need any HELP from me to figure out this - I'll be happy to help. I'm extremely interested in this because my gaming experience depends on it.
But later. I already made some invest - but all on that PC. Is this clear?
And last - seriously i don't understand those who drop there creations in face of users and tell them - deal with it or roll over - no one cares about your mod incompatibility, no one cares about your problems - my mod is flawless and perfect - just like myself.
veoba 15 hours ago 
Where exactly i said it?
English is not my native language and maybe there can be some misunderstanding or wrong explanation or translator not putted all of my text. I told that i played this mod first i found, was existed - but after sometime unsubbed for better times thinking that those errors will be fixed in future, also keeping in mind that this some sort of incompatible with PUaH. It was 3 or 4 months ago. Now i gave it another chance - and again same problems with freezing pawns and errors in log about job and hauling. So what can be better - to check this things by dev himself or listening to explanations? I understand that its a popular mod - 800k sub-ers!
Rovstam 15 hours ago 
And for anyone having stuff like that: Install RimSort. It gets rid of (99%) load order errors. Just leaves incompabilities.
Rovstam 15 hours ago 
Sorry i couldn't contain myself xdd

He is having sort order issues and barking at you. It pissed me off man c'mon.

You are just giving this great mod FREE, for being treated like that? I already tagged this in my blacklist, as for how incompatible it is.
avil  [author] 15 hours ago 
@Rovstam come on, you just said yourself to ignore him and fan the flames even further instead.
Rovstam 15 hours ago 
I left kindergarden a long time ago. I don't have time, energy and the will to react like you want me to.

And author, you might wanna look into that?
Just placing an incompability tag with those might be the fix for now.

He is barking at you "please, please look at me, i am incompetent enough to sort my modlist and must rely on accussing some mod author because (Xenophobic comment), I don't know how RimWorld works! Please! Fix an issue that originates from my end!, IT'S YOUR FAULT!
*bark*"
veoba 15 hours ago 
Lol - just look at this guy - BAN HIM BAAAN HIM!!! HIS INFANTILE!!! I TELL YAH!!! WAHHHH!!! IM RIIIGHT!!!!
Ahahaha - what a nice example of that western soybean misareble person.
avil  [author] 15 hours ago 
You leterally just said you never actually checked what causes this though.
veoba 15 hours ago 
SIIIGH! "vocal and aggressive?"
Some comments before you just shited in face of this guy (and there where other before him) who now barks at me(perfect example of soyboy mentality), lol and now YOU tell me that im vocal and aggressive?
Already investigated it like may others. And telling - can you look yourself because you are a creator of this mod. Is there any incompatibly coming from your mod? Is this such a big deal? To look at this three mods in house with your eyes - or better to show your arrogant, inflated ego?
Whats the point of putting mod on workshop and then when ppl many times tell you - there is a problem - trying to insult them?:steamfacepalm:
Rovstam 15 hours ago 
Simply ban his from your socials. No more infantile behaviour from his part.
avil  [author] 15 hours ago 
Sigh. Why most vocal people are always the ones that "I'll leave the angry comment now, but will actually investigate the problem later" type?
veoba 15 hours ago 
Right now i'm sorting all my mods. And later will get to make this three mods testing, yes. But i remember that first when i found your mod i was excited. But after playing for a while i started encountering wired stuff like pawns freeze or not follow work priorities even when something was at 1lvl of priority.
P\S. I'll pretend I didn't saw this infantile soyboy crap below.
Rovstam 15 hours ago 
@veoba You are not his boss and he is not being paid to do that. You are just a disrecpectful brat who wants everything his way lol

At least do a discussion the proper way, post the red error and the Hugslib Logs.
avil  [author] 16 hours ago 
I see. Did you try switching mods on and off? See what fixes that?
veoba 16 hours ago 
Help to figure out is there any kind of uncompat with all this three mods. Period.
avil  [author] 16 hours ago 
Sorry, I'm at a loss of words. Not quite sure how to react. What you expect me to do?
veoba 16 hours ago 
I don't understand what you mean (is this some kind of trolling&) but I'm using all of this specific job,hauling mods and even more. And i want to have them work together all the way with no errors.
If there was one guy who came and told - hold up ppl i will deal with this shit - and made a mod that contains everything that do CS, PUaH and HaH (and some others) - that would be GENIUS!
Bur right now i have a bunch of errors happens time to time, like job error to fill the stove with log and other hauling things when pawn ignores his jobs or just freezes one place. So i really interested in compatibility of all this mods.
avil  [author] 16 hours ago 
Um, not specifically, but whatever floats your boat?
veoba 16 hours ago 
So you just put your mods and tell to ppl - deal with it, lol? PLay only this or rollover?
Rovstam 16 hours ago 
I haven't played a long time ago and probably won't but i don't think Smart speed has anything to do with it
avil  [author] 16 hours ago 
I know nothing about HaH, PUaH just works? No specific order needed.