so, i found out we can create the discussion pages ourselves, i feel really REALLY stupid now.

Moving on from that however, since in the mod description Kyrrisayo says they are taking user suggestions, i thought i'd make a discussion for us all to put our ideas so we don't need to clutter the comments with our suggestions. I dunno about you guys but i find the 1000 character limit makes it impossible to throw alot of ideas out there, never mind explain WHY you felt a given suggestion would be a good idea in the first place. Speaking personally i'm just trying to throw something out there and see if it sticks.

so, heres my list of suggestions in terms of weapons.

1. Backsword - The Backsword was a straight bladed, single edged sword not unlike a saber, they were the favored sidearm of common infantry, the secondary weapons of cavalry in europe during the 16th and 17th centuries as well as being used by some navies until around the first world war (though i can't remember where i read that last part). It'd be a good alternative for anyone who wants a saber like weapon but doesn't like a curved blade.

2. Baseball Bat - Baseball Bats are one of the most common weapons on earth because they're actually really good at it, nothing like smashing someones face in with a solid piece of maple, no modern or post apocalyptic playthrough feels right without one somewhere, also likely synergizes very well with Expanded or Extended Woodworking, besides, if you need melee weapons in a hurry and have little metal, wood is often readily available.

3. Bec De Corbin - its a hammer, spear and pick at the same time, whats not to love? the guy in platemail wont certainly, would be a good fit to have high penetration values.

4. Butcher Knife - just another alternate melee option for more modern playthroughs, since they aren't real weapons they would work best if they had low durability (but likewise used few resources). Could also serve as a weapon that boosts butchering or cooking speeds if you wanna do that, good for chefs.

5. Chainsaw - truly considered the greatest melee weapon of our modern, industrial era, in truth there are ALOT of issues that make chainsaws less ideal as melee weapons then swords nevermind its dangerous....you KNOW you want to charge balrogs and orcs with one though.

6. Crowbar - weapon of choice for the one free man, just another modern club choice

7. Entrenching Tool - better suited for those of us who want more of a world war theme in our games, nasty people serrate the edges for fighting just to be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s.

8. Fire Axe - Fire Axes are a favorite of games in the modern era where melee combat is a possibility and they're much easier to come by then alot of other weapon types, if a weapon could be set to be better or worse against buildings then others, the fire axe would be a great fit considering thats what it was designed for, also great for splitting regular lumber if thats your thing, the Fire Axe is really slow to swing though.

9. Giant Bone - literally just a giant bone, crafted at the butchering table, a possibility for neolithic playthroughs, i don't know if its possible to have the quality be dependent on the animal you got it from though.

10. Halberd - one of the original classic polearms for a reason, its an axe, a spear and either a pick or a hammer all in one package, still used as a ceremonial piece long after most melee weapons fell out of favor.

11. Hatchet - basic hatchets are used for camping more often then anything else, they would make a great low-weight sidearm option for people who want a sharp weapon heavier then a knife but lighter then any kind of sword.

12. Jumonji Yari - The Jumonji Yari is a type of japanese spear so we get more eastern showings, its basically just their take on the Ranseur, still very stylish.

13. Ka-Bar - the vanilla knife is kind of crap and has little detail, a modern fighting knife like the Ka-Bar would be really nice, i'd like to see more detail then the vanilla knife too.

14. Lead Pipe - the idea is, if you are insanely ♥♥♥♥ing desperate (dudes ALREADY on the map) a lead (or any metal) pipe is as good as any basic club, the idea is you could craft them in like 5 seconds for 2-5 of any metal but be worse then almost every other option, just only better then using your fists. Also good for post apoc playthroughs.

15. Mace (Spray) - Mace actually refers to a specific brand of pepper spray as opposed to a model, they tend to be sold in pretty big cans and the cops love them, they could be a great nonlethal option for mid game that requires chemfuel, i don't know how the hediffs for nonlethal weapons work though.

16. Mark VI Laser Rapier - i literally stole this from system shock, the idea is it would be a late game (spacer tech) melee weapon that does bonus damage to mechanoids, you can always change the name and graphics, afterall, laser swords are hardly unique to any one sci-fi.

17. Messer Sword - The Messer was about as big as a sword could get before you HAD to be two handed exclusively, and they often WERE used two-handed anyways, a really expensive option with a long crafting time.

18. Military Fork - just another spear option, military forks were basically just spears with two tines similar to a trident.

19. Pepper Spray - Pepper Spray is basically just Mace but weaker and cheaper, they're so small you can fit them on a keychain, it'd be a good industrial era option for people who really need to budget their carry weight, or maybe as exports if you have alot of chemfuel.

20. Pocket Shot - The Pocket shot is a new concept that you should look up, basically its like a special rubber cup you can fire arrows and other projectiles out of, like a modern sling that doesn't require as much training with greater accuracy, something to consider if you want sling options or need low-weight ranged weapons.

21. Potato Masher - The classic german stick grenade was used as a melee weapon all the time apparently, that sounds REALLY dangerous but what do i know.

22. Rapier - Rapiers are excellent sidearm choices for people who focus on speed over the raw power of other swords, a favorite of foppish aristocrats and nobles, another great low-weight option.

23. Sawblade Axe - its an axe made out of saw blades and other junk, a favorite of the post apocalypse.

24. Shovel - I've never seen a zombie game without a shovel, it could probably also give bonuses to farming or building, a decent blunt choice for the modern era but they swing slow, believe me.

25. Stop Sign - exactly what it sounds like, a stop sign complete with the pole its attached to, potentially with serrated edges, strong guys just rip them out of the ground to wield as impromptu weapons, ever notice how if you ever see them used as weapons in fiction, the dude with the sign is always the strongest one on the field? madness flashbacks...

26. Stun Baton - Stun Batons are basically nightsticks with built in Stun Guns, Electric Cattle Prods are basically the same thing, they would make great nonlethal options when you need prisoners but they would probably be expensive and need components

27. Stun Gun - Also referred to as a taser, despite the name they actually aren't guns, Stun Guns are electric weapons intended for nonlethal takedowns, they have two or more electrodes which create an arc of electrical energy that can cause muscle spasms, great low-weight options for modern playthroughs, these days they're built into damn near everything.

28. Su Yari - a "Straight Spear", the Su Yari is a japanese spear with a straight double edged blade, though really fancy you would wield it essentially the same as the european ones, another "Eastern" option.

29. Throwing Hatchets - A ranged weapon for people who dont want/cant get guns and just don't like bows for some weird reason, the middle ground between the Pila and Throwing Knives, also great if you have next to no wood to craft weapons with since they can be made entirely of metal or stone.

30. Throwing Knives - The idea is that throwing knives are extremely low-weight ranged weapons for the early game with a very high rate of attack that you can make entirely out of metal for people who just dont like bows, damage is basically♥♥♥♥♥♥but you can throw them so fast it adds up quick and you have more chances to hit something nasty like an eye.

31. Training Sword - Training Swords are basically weapons made out of wood you can make quickly and cheaply, they can be used as nonlethal weapons that strike really fast but the REAL reason to request them is to use mods which let you train your melee by having your pawns fight each other, or maybe you managed to build a sweet arena of some sort.

32. Trench Knife - All the benefits of a knife and brass knuckles in a single package, they're prettymuch worthless for anything outside of combat and for some reason cops always flip♥♥♥♥♥♥if they see you carrying one but you could do a hell of alot worse in a trench.

33. Trench Mace - Trench Maces were seemingly like wooden clubs with spikes attached to the top and sides, they'd be cheaper on your metal to make then a traditional mace but wouldn't have the same armor penetration, then again they didn't have much armor in the trenches.

34. Wrench - I can't name a single first person survival game that doesn't give you a wrench, would also be a good option to increase construction speeds.

35. Xiphos - The Combat Shields mod gives us the Aspis, all we need now is the armor and a xiphos to turn our soldiers greek themed

36. Yumi - the Japanese Bow, i gotta be honest, i just wanted more variety in bows and the pictures of the japanese one has these really fancy red and black bands on the body, would like to get more color or later game bows, especially for bow specialists (more common now that Rimworld of Magic has a bow specific class).

i tried to avoid modern ranged options such as tasers, net launchers and pepper spray guns because, they ARE just different takes on guns, and as you said we have ALOT of that kind of thing anyways, i don't know if any of these suggestions are particularly any good but i figured i'd just throw stuff out there, maybe you thought of it, maybe not, either way lets see what sticks.