my retnas hurt

That has fuck all to do with anything I said raptorn. If this is you admitting that you cannot prove this follows the rules even slightly then I humbly accept your defeat.

the cat peach model. I see no credit to nintendo there.

And credit is not required when a model is made by the uploader, nor when assets used (such as source files) have been released with a free license with no credit needed.

As a paralegal I would think you would understand the concept of Innocent until Proven Guilty. and that the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused.

Oh u stubborn lil raptor, I know that not all sfm community likes the mentioned games but think of it, those that uploads the mentioned games all gave adequate credits to their respective owners. sure... pony contents too need to have equal rights and such but lets face it, mlp assests especially the pony models are at the bottom of the chain, and there's a huge interest gap that i am sure u know by now. Plus, those that made this so called 'pony OC' are doing things wrongly and like JOHONDAR mentioned, most mlp assests belong in DA better than here in the workshop so who to point yur fingers at? The naysayers or the entire human population with various interests point?

Raptorn you have officially gone full retard.

It doesn't matter how much you don't like the rules. They apply regardless of how you feel.
You can claim I only target mlp crap all you like. Course this only works if you can prove it.

You have yet to.

Go on. Find a non-mlp submission that doesn't credit. Cite the rules so that we know they aren't broken. Give me proof there's nothing to lose. The names of those modellers would be nice. It's great that you had to explicitly mention they don't work on mlp.

I know several talented modellers too. They make thousands every month. All of them questioned my sanity when I started work on that rwby crap you adore so much.

@JOHONDAR
Close. Paralegal in my case means I work under a lawyer or lawyers in our firm under the macisaac group.

Surfer, it doesn't matter how many people are interested. the fact is that people ARE (probably more then you realize). Not everyone here likes fnaf or nintendo, or dota, or tf2, etc either. doesn't mean they don't have a right to equal treatment. If you don't like it. don't look at it. simple as that.

Blue, well, the fact is, no rules have been broken (and the rules you claim to have been broken have been done so by others, but you lot never target them). So there really is nothing to lose. unlike this attitude by your people which results in sullying the reputation of this community. I've already heard of several talented non-pony modellers (and a few pony modellers that do non-pony stuff on occasion) that refuse to come here because of how nasty people are treated here.

That makes sense.

@JOHONDAR

correcting myself, i meant mlp assests especially the pony models are not being paid attention much. other mlp assests like their crystal ball prop and some from DA do hav their lil use around somehow. so safely saying, pony models are well... not being paid attention much

BlueFlyTrap, are you a lawyer or something?

Your points are (mostly) valid and that's why most MLP animators do go to DA. You are right on those points. But I do want to contest your claim on MLP animations being the lowest region. I've spent a lot of time watching SFM animations of all kinds and the two most common themes are by far TF2 and MLP. MLP is not the lowest or most unimportant category of animation. It's almost certainly the second largest.

But yes I do understand you reasoning and I do agree with it to a fault. That's why I do think MLP models should primarily be kept to DA. But I still maintain that if he wants to put the model up here then that's his decision. No one in this chat will convince him otherwise. Sorry if this comes off as rude but I do have a hard time keeping these things calm.


And lastly did you really call the fandom a cult? If your going to insult us at least do it right. At least call us a colt! Ba dum dish!
Now I'm going to give up on jokes.

Also Johondar. It is not a right. It is a privilege. If you want it to remain a privilege you have treat it with some discretion.

Also you say it is within their rights to upload some fnaf stuff as well? Perhaps you haven't been informed but a handful of dmca have been filed involving those as well. Or even the few placed on some of the ssb4 content.

Just for future reference.

Raptorn. Stop with the red herring. That isn't how you argue.

Especially when it concerns legal matters. I get enough of that shit daily being employed as paralegal. So fuck the legal stuff for now so we can focus on the actual problem here that you've been too dense to pick of after several months.

The workshop itself has rules. Breaking those rules poses a possible threat to the account owner. Not being able to upload shit isn't entirely helpful.

What all of you seem to be missing is that I have nothing to lose from asking something so simple. The uploader, however, does have the potential to lose something.

@JOHANDAR

true enough the sfm workshop is a place for any and all sfm related assests but your focus is a bit off cause we're now in the community focus here JOHANDAR. do i need to repeat myself, we're in an sfm community filled with a majority of non-pony fans so why wasting time uploding pony themed content to a community filled with non-pony fans. its like... delivering milks to a neighbourhood filled with lactose intolerence patient.

anyway, its not that we don't want but like i said, we just can't welcome them due to the rules made and rules are rules. now, as you've mentioned "If someone wants to upload an MLP themed model then that's their right. Just like it's their right to upload models or paritcles for FNAF, TF2, Mario or anything else they can think of", the mlp cult aren't being widely accepted in the community so accept the fact that mlp stands at the lowest region of the sfm community except in the eyes of bronies and pegasis

To each his own. The SFM workshop exists as a place for any and all SFM related assets. If someone wants to upload an MLP themed model then that's their right. Just like it's their right to upload models or paritcles for FNAF, TF2, Mario or anything else they can think of.

If you don't want ponies in the worksjop then feel free to go and scream at everyone else who uploads anything here because they're just as much in the wrong.

3) these projects have been endorsed by hasbro employees up to and including the VP of development and scripted entertainment for Hasbro Studios. As well as the hasbro legal staff in their case against Jananimations (who was creating 2d, show accurate, broadcast quality animations), where they informed him that it was ok for him to use non-show characters (OCs), even if the style was directly that of the show.

4) we were informed by individuals from the show that giving credit is not only unnecessary, but actually a bad thing from a legal standpoint. because by giving credit, if you are indeed in the wrong, you are openly acknowledging that what you are doing is wrong and could hurt your case. So in the end its actually preferred if you DON'T give credit.

what credit? the models were publicly released. as well as all the source files. all with the sole purpose of creating more models. and no permission is needed nor is credit required. and this comes from the creators of said models.

for hasbro. 1). these models were not created by hasbro. they have no claim to them (especially in this case where it is an original character).

2) even if they did, which they don't, it falls under fair use as a transformative work (your partner down there even said these look too far removed from their 2d counterparts to be appealing).

Honestly all of your arguments in general seem to just be red herring. You're not actually disproving any of his points and, instead, just ranting on about seemingly unrelated examples.

Let me deal with said examples.

You're trying to prove that everybody else does the same thing; and you're just so wrong. If you can find me a submission from "sonic, mario, zelda, halo, payday, walking dead, etc etc" that doesn't properly credit let me know.

If you want to find one involving hasbro's ip look no further than the current page.

"Did flytrap get permission from monty om or rooster teeth to upload his crescent rose model?"

I can't get permission from monty because he's dead raptorn.

whole lotta pointless discussion.

Least he isn't foaming at the mouth with illiterate l33t speak ranting like I usually run into. So props for that even if we disagree on pretty much everything.

Oh dear that's a lot of text.

Can anyone fill me in on what happened?

@surfer171

there is a DA group for general sfm stuff as well. so why have the WS at all?

Did flytrap get permission from monty om or rooster teeth to upload his crescent rose model? where are all the complaints about sonic, mario, zelda, halo, payday, walking dead, etc etc submissions that also "infringe copyright" (though pony submissions don't actually) and are ineligible for saxxy work?

Sorry, it is pure hypocrisy, entitlement, bullying and blind hatred. you are forcing your views on others. just because YOU don't like something doesn't give you the right to tell others what they can and can't do/like/etc.

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like @El Matador mentioned, this pony thing is a 2D animated tv show and i myself agree that 2D stuff when turning into the 3D sides... it looks ugly. so i do say this is another one of the logical reason as to not welcoming it here unless you want me to dig up more logical reasons (exception to those you mentioned)

besides, deviant art has a community just for those pony sfm user (again, im tired of repeating this group) nice and cozy in their lil box of rainbow magic where they're not being pushed around by those non-pony users. again, we aren't severely hating them but we can't welcome them here.

@raptornx01

wont going down without another fight... very well, let me see... during those times, the rule hasn't been fully noticed yet thus yielding that said number and also due to the influence from the rainbow factory sfm video that time so of course the number spikes. so during that time, pony contents were like the hype before @blueflytrap runs around convincing the original makers and copyright infringment to the pony community.


we aren't hating pony contents so severely but we just can't welcome them to the workshop cause we are to keep it resourceful for those saxxy candidates to run around to search for the right items and as a said backup if other sfm resources site either shutdown or temporarily down for maintainence. so you see, we do have our logical reason as to not welcoming it, not hating . you know, you should look up the difference between hating and not welcoming one day, i see you misunderstood them.

@surfer171

couple issues. the first being that, you say the gmod workshop is filled with pony stuff. well. I did search. and found 1,303 results. yes, that does sound like alot. until you realize that the gmod workshop contains 550,000 entries. which means that pony items is 0.23% of the gmod work shop. by contrast. fnaf yields over 6,000 results.

you say there is no interest. yet, this very upload has 8 subs so far. that is 8 people that are interested. the elyse pony oc has over 700 subs. rick's OC has over 800. sugar cube corner has 4000.

So yes. you are hating. you are singling out pony stuff, for no other reason then your own prejudices. and trying to force your opinion on others. You have no logical reason for these items to not be here, which makes you, and everyone else that complains, nothing more then trolls.

Okay, I see no point in continuing. If you want to go on with this "Heated Discussion", do so. I'm gonna leave it there.

If you believe I broke the rules, then the report option is your answer. Nice day to you. :)

@krisser20_UNEN

the phrase won't help put out the heated discussion. also, hate is a big word so do use it wisely next time. u see, we aren't hating but placing a point that u broke the workshop rules. there, no hate or such exist from pointing out the rules.

oh, the one taking down would be u, remove it manually as if... like that, just remove it from the workshop.

also, if workshop quality isn't yur thing, why bother placing yur foot here in the first place? u could hav placed it in Gmod workshop where everything is a greenlight no matter what u post there and still u get all the publicity there

Close it or go for part two. I don't think you understood my last response very well. I'll gladly repeat it for you: "Then don't subscribe to it. I couldn't really care any less what you think.".

If you want to use this comment section as a discussion board about the workshop quality, then be my guest. I only read the comments because I thought it was hilarious how much time and effort people put into hating. I'm just saying, if you don't like it, don't subscribe. If you think I'm breaking rules by posting this here, then report me for it. Thats the options you've got.

If it is taken down, then fair enough, I'll find somewhere else. But comments about hating and workshop quality is really no big deal to me. I don't really care, so please, do continue.

@raptornx01

now then, if we can all come to a conclusion, we can safely close this heated discussion once and for all, not to be opened back up for your lil round two. @El Matador has proven us, source filmmaker has their own reputation and being smothered with pony contents just drops it slowly till... oh who-knows-one-day the rank of source filmmaker soon become the same as their counter part Gmod for their workshop quality and such.

so lets close this discussion and move on with our lives.

@Krisser20_UNEN

so, you have witnessed the big arguement and now i repeat myself, pack up this fix and head down to deviant art where the community there will love you more than it is right here in sfm workshop. somehow, the more you delay, the longer this arguement will stretch up into a mass of heated discussion for you to read which i can fully tell how ugly it is to read all these piles of comments

@surfer171
I'd also like to mention that SFM community is not only filled with people who try to ignore any MLP content, but also people who simply dislike them and are agains't them, myself included. Though I'm not gonna start another war about why I dislike MLP, as much as I'd love to (heh heh). Let's just say that personally, and I'm sure many, MANY people think the same, ponies just don't fit in 3D world. Cartoonish, animated 2D is their place, cause in SFM, especially with graphics of Source Engine, ponies look absolutely UGLY and using them in SFM is really hurting both the MLP universe and the potential of Source Fillmmaker. And because of that, I agree that putting these (ugly) OCs should be done in a Deviantart group made specifically for bronies (bleh), a place that normal person never visits. Everyone would be happy and the author would still be able to make their painis grow, since Deviantart also provides with statistics about the amount of downloads, views or favourites.

(continued)

now, i know everyone has the rights to enjoy the said contents but ponies are in my word "the bottom of the line" of the priority list for majority of people. why? cause like i kept mentioning, there's a majority of non-pony fan here in sfm workshop's true nature. so my question again, why posting something when the majority of users are non-pony fan? its like not giving full commitment towards the society.

@raptornx01

but soon, it'll be, take the old pony OC models if u search for 'pony'. if we don't convince them to post somewhere else, it might just be another copy of gmod workshop... and why i mentioned that? check gmod workshop for pony models and u'll see alot of them, cluttering the area like its non of their business to pack up and shove it into deviant art.

now then, to my point, its not that i find those session not interesting, it's the whole commitment. take the fnaf jumpscare session that's been cluttering the workshop. if i were a true sfm workshop user, i would find it annoying and would look down on it with my finger pointing at it with utter disgust, saying it so useless and such. but others, its like "damn... an fnaf jumpscare session! i can has this cause me lazy to animate few seconds" and calls it useful due to [b[ their [/b] nature of laziness

@surfer171

one model, isn't cluttering.

K, here's the issue. The workshop is already cluttered with useless stuff. Just because YOU don't have an interest, doesn't mean that others won't. I have no interest in tf2 crap, or FNAF, or mario, or zelda, or payday, or sonic, and on and on. but fans of that stuff have every right to be able to use and enjoy that content.

Though I can see why you and your ilk have a problem with being ignored since none of you are capable of ignoring things yourselves, especially things you don't like.

@raptornx01

You know, this so called 'bigoted entitled moron' aren't much of a troll but to point out flaws in things related to the workshop terms and conditions plus useless session. So ignoring us means cluttering the sfm workshop and making a nuisance with all things not everyone needs it.

Love you too Johondar.

My only thought on the model is that it looks like it may be a too dark shade of blue. It seems almost reflective. As for BlueFlyTrap and Surfer, just ignore them.

ignore the bigoted entitled morons. they just like to troll people. i'd say just delete their comments and move on.

Mass effect 1 and 2 are on steam. Therefore valve has a licensing deal with bioware and ea to have that ip on the steam platform.

@BlueFlytrap

Couldn't the same be said about Mass Effect 3 though? I mean, that game is on Origin but not Steam.

@|ÅΩ| 14grunt
Well the trouble with this specific ip is that no game on steam uses it.

I've gotta admit, the bronies making and posting these never seem to learn from eachothers mistakes. I cant remember the exact developer of the model, but he is the developer of the model. Not you guys posting the OCs. Take advise from a fellow brony, and add the appropriate credits (I.e. MLP belongs to Hasbro, this model was made by [???], i do not own this model or MLP)

@surfer171

Sorry if I misunderstood, your attitude is more so about no credits being given? Because from what you made it sound like earlier is that you don't believe ANYTHING that is based on an existing I.P should be allowed.

@14grunt

when interest is around, boundaries began to rise up from one place to another. the mass effect, hyrule warriors, they... have their use and respect in majority of sfm workshop users. ponies... not everyone is a brony to start off so why would one post pony contents to a community filled with a majority of non-pony fans? its like... weird if you know what i mean.

second, with proper credits, one can use I.P for as long they don't go running around like a maniac claiming that they own it. anyway, thing is, those that port things from the 3DS to SFM all know they use it without permission but one thing they do remember is crediting the original owner of whatever they port. take the porter of the pokemon game, RTB and ApocHedgie, they don't own it but they credit nintendo and game freak for everything along with those who helped them too.

@surfer171

The it being an idea based around Hasbro's inellectual property I get, but what I can't get is a company that would genuinely get that upset over people making fan ideas (models in this case) and uploading them for people to see, going that far in control over your I.P seems silly to me. I also find it unreasonable that fanmade pony models wouldn't be allowed but content ripped from games such as Mass Effect, Hyrule Warriors (Some examples of other I.P I've seen on the workshop) would be allowed.

@14grunt

hold on, did you just said "You are aware that this isn't from any official Hasbro game?"... oh you mean that mlp mmo thing? here's a lil question, where did the origin of that idea came from? it's gonna be silly if you can't figure out since stealing some intellectual property of a certain toy company isn't a way around here in sfm workshop. try looking up on the terms and condition of workshop submission, i can guarentee you'd be in full of surprise to see something related to intellectual property distribution

@14grunt

still, its fanmade origin is from the hasbro company. plus, the model origin isn't from this guy either but a simple lil splat of paint here and there, add cutie marks and bam, a new pony's born and the fandom continues.

@surfer171 "Stole something from hasbro and it would be this."
You are aware that this isn't from any official Hasbro game? The base of these models are fanmade.

>5 current subscribers.

lol.