@WarKittyKat You're welcome. Would you believe that and attempting to transport boomalopes to asteroids by shuttle were the primary motivators for this mod? :]

Realism aside, I would like to thank you for making shuttle and bestower quests slightly less painful in space. With this you can have an unroofed 9x9 shuttle landing pad and they'll actually get off the landing pad and into the hallway before they start getting vacuum burns. Instead of exiting the shuttle, instantly getting vacuum burns, stopping to tend the burns, getting more burns while they wait, and eventually dying.

Though in the vacuum you would freeze at night and just burn in the sunlight right?

@Anon Fires can exist in space, all it needs is a fuelmix with an oxidizer, its actually really easy to do, though fires shouldnt spread in space, obviously, it can only attach to the fuel/oxidizer mix

Can you fix fires in vacuum also? Mechs can start fires in space apparently. Ludeon not really trying anymore with all the new tryhard threats they add.

I concede and apologize for the irrelevant argument I contributed to on this mod page. Thank you @PeteTimesSix for the great work.

@Effigylord space is not cold. Vacuum cannot be cold. Only stuff can be cold. Stuff made off matter. And there is not enough particles in space to channel temperature. And bc of none presure you would actualy boil to death not freeze(which is hollywood bs). 14 times lower pressure than 1 bar is enough to start boiling human eyes and blood. And its still not vacuum.

@AstroLex
a temperature of -75C typically occurs in the upper mesosphere around 70 to 80km above sea level

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20090026490/downloads/20090026490.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesosphere

All of you arguing aboust exact numbers, but its a continium, but to explain it I would need to devide it to sectors, so according to my sources: at hight of 12-25km above sea level temperture is -55 degrees celcius. 25-50km temperture its starting to rise, and getting close to 0 celcius.
everything above 80km is absolue hell, cause sun could heat the ship or other surfaces up to 1500 degrees celcius, but ob other hand at night or in shadow, temperture will drop to -270 celcius. Any stable orbit is possible above 70km cause there is not enough air molecules to decrease ship speed. And its the reason temperature cant be transfered.

@Effigylord pawns are in orbit, not deep space. It makes sense that it's -75C and not absolute zero.

@Sledjer Is this what you were referring to???

Space
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Jul 6, 2022 — This is known as the cosmic microwave background (CMB) and it has a uniform temperature of 2.7 K (-459⁰F/-270⁰C). As 0 K is absolute zero this ...

@Sledjer
Mind sending a link??? Couldn't find that anywhere on the site.

@Demelios
I don't understand "Where would you heat goes to. nothing?"

nice mod, thanks!

@Effigylord lol dude. First search result, on space.com which is the first website you referenced, says space has no temperature. "So in a truly empty region space, there would be no particles and radiation, meaning there’s also no temperature." If you actually read the article though you would see that basically the gist they're going with it is that space isn't actually a thing, but rather things in space have temperatures. No particles and no radiation is nostly a hypothetical.

In reality, the temperature would be determined by the ambient temperature of the few particles in the area you are at (or of the atmosphere. Orbit doesn't necessarily mean fully escaping the atmosphere), as well as the internal temperature of you caused by bodily function and the impact of radiation on the body.

cant* heat it up

@effigylord bro and where would you heat goes to. nothing?
heat is energy to lose energy you need to transfer it. if there is nothing it doesnt matter if the median of tempêrature of the 1 atoms over sixty lightyear in space is 200 bellow 0 if it doesnt get into contact with you you can heat it up and as such cant lose that heat.

@Planetace a quick google search says space has a temp according to {LINK REMOVED}space.com, amu.edu and {LINK REMOVED}BBC.com and that it is hundreds of degrees below zero. @turtleshroom was correct. Fact checking helps.

@turtleshroom A correction, space has no temperature at all. What we measure for temperature is caused by atoms vibrating in place due to their internal energy, but since Space has no atoms, it cannot exactly be measured.

However, there is energy and radiation, and that itself changes based on factors such as nearby energy sources like the sun or reactive elements like radioactive materials. A satellite in LEO and in sunlight would actually begin acculminating ambient radiation and steadily heat up until it's ability to radiate thermal radiation matches that of the amount of thermal radiation entering it - as an example, our Moon suprisingly enough is hot enough to boil water during the Day (its avg is around 120*C), but as soon as night hits the thermal radiation influx plummets to near zero, causing the Moons surface to cool down rapidly.

Thanj god Earth has an atmosphere, much easier to distribute heat by physically banging atoms together than radiating heat between them.

you could add a secret hediff that increases cancer chance depending on how long pawn was outside without a suit

Anyone has testet this cool mod with vre-starjack?

@Jack Jack Attack

I don't think words can describe how dumbfounded I am by your comment. The vacuum of space is IN FACT more extreme than drowning, what the FUCK are YOU smoking?

@TurtleShroom

I do also think there's like a slim chance that if you got back inside you could survive, but like you said it's not without permanent damage.

@Jack Jack Attack

Dude, like with drowning, you are suffocating because you can't get any air. Yes, the vacuum of space IS worse than drowning.

There is no air in the vacuum of space. The pressure difference will cause the air inside your body to flow out of your orifices. Like with drowning, as you go longer and longer without oxygen, your heart and brain cells begin to die and scar over. This is why people that recover from minutes of drowning often have permanent brain damage. Moreover, outer space is hundreds of degrees below zero AND the sun's radiation (or any star in the galaxy) will cook you alive.

That said, I actually think that if you got ejected into space with no space suit, I believe that, like drowning, if they got you back in immediately, you could probably be revived (but not without permanent damage).

Dr. Who Reference

@Lovecraft
Mostly its because I like punny names. Though I'd argue going from slowly accumulating non-bleeding wounds to potentially having your colonist's lungs implode does make things a bit more dangerous.

how is this "hard" other than the effects being different?

The vacuum of space is *not* more extreme than drowning what are you smoking. You can survive minutes of vacuum, but minutes underwater is guaranteed death. The best way to think about it is that we are used to 1 atmosphere. Vacuum is 0 atmospheres (in practice it's usually a negligible non-zero value, yes there is some air on asteroids. While Mars is not breathable, sailing will still work there). 10 yards down in the water is 2 atmospheres. You have to go 60 miles from 0 to 1, and only 10 yards from 1 to 2. Water is extremely dangerous on a level that space simply does not compare.

The best pop-fiction portrayal of space is Titan AE btw, which happens to also work really well in a Rim setting.

@DK43

Space is defined in RL as sixty-two miles above sea level. This is why it is correct to say that Katy Perry did in fact go to space, although she is not an astronaut because she was not a crewman, but rather, a passenger. You aren't a sailor if you ride on a cruise ship that circumnavigates the earth.

Thus, yes, Grav-Ships definitely take you to space and, since you are operating one, that also makes you an astronaut.

This is a great Mod that makes a lot more sense, given that the vacuum of space is more extreme than drowning

How does the Vacuum Exposure statistic factor in here? In the game, if Vacuum Exposure's percentage tops completion, as a whole integer (that is, one), you can breathe in space. Below a whole integer, it hurts you faster and faster the less the number goes.

Isn't it a bit different cuz technically Odyssey never lets you leave high-orbit? Like you're not REALLY in space?

@Drasca
Yes, I imagine that that's what Odyssey tries to represent by giving two-thirds vacuum resistance to the helmet alone, and will work equally well with this mod.
Regardless, "exposure to space is not that dangerous if none of the parts of your body susceptible to exposure to space are exposed to space" may be accurate, but its also a bit of a tautology :]

Nah, takes longer than that. You do fall unconscious, but can be revived within minutes without any severe long term damage.

Can have non lethal space exposure for hours so long as your primary body parts are covered i.e. torso and head. Limb exposure is surprisingly less dangerous.

Real issue is long term space radiation.

I thought the vanilla vaccum mechanic wasn't brutal enough, thanks!