Eh, I'm skeptical, mainly because of the re-addition of ship-to-ship combat. I hope it's handled better than in SOS2, because RimWorld is a game inherently designed for pawn-to-pawn combat.

@Reestock I trust Oskar to make a better endgame

@Ferny About that future stuff, there's this mod that turns the interstellar ship parts into usable gravship parts, as well as allowing them to be used for a New Game+
https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3531942788
Do you think something like that sounds better than outright removal, or do you think whatever Oskar will do is going to be even better?

If you're looking to adjust gravship research costs without blocking the event itself , I've made a simple patch: Gravship Reasonable Tech

@ferny Thanks for the reply, it's clearer now!

@accrrsd Base games tech distinctions already make no sense, Mechs can't decide whether they are Industrial, Spacer, or Ultra, etc. The ship ending is the same, it makes zero thematic sense at this point and the second it's replaced by long term gravship progression (Oskar will be doing this over time) I will remove the base ship stuff from the game

I mostly like your mods, but in my opinion the space age is too much, in a vanilla game it's literally the end of the game - building an INTERSTELLAR ship, a gravity ship in my opinion should be at the end of the industrial era, perhaps after microelectronics, it would be historic as the first flights into space - that is, reaching the orbital level.

@Paolini Wdym

Does someone know how to change the spacer era requirement in the files ?

v5 - fixed missing odyssey requirement in the about.xml

Remember that short sci-fi story where space travel is actually easier than flintlock lol

Makes sense. If the actual progression feels right maybe just different categories in the architect menu is all it would need.

@MatrixVirus I'm giving myself a bit of time to look over how VE Gravships and SOS2 pan out. I'm not gonna touch cohesion with them until they make their own stances clear.

ferny what do you think about separating out gravship stuff and SOS2 stuff? Orbital Tech vs Space Tech or something

Played with only one colonist and spent 10 years to finally get an engine.But it's all worth it..

My issue was being caused by "Completely Clueless".

@Halicade Whoops

Hello! Just letting you know you never set Odyssey as a dependency in your mods about file.

@Turkwise This is a mod designed for playthroughs that last months in a tech progression environment. You are not the target audience if thats not your thing.

Anyone getting this error on startup?
Mod's basically at the bottom of my list.


[Progression: Gravship - Start of stack trace]
Verse.PatchOperationReplace(xpath="Defs/FactionDef[defName="Ferny_GravshipSpacers"]/startingResearchTags"): Failed to find a node with the given xpath
Verse.PatchOperationSequence: Error in the operation at position=1
Verse.PatchOperationFindMod(Progression: Scenarios): Error in <match>
[End of stack trace]
Source file: D:\Steam\steamapps\workshop\content\294100\3522893553\Patches\patch.xml

Being required to progress to Spacer tech level is way too harsh imo. Especially since you cant even do that without another mod.
Personally I think it should just require a Comms Console to be built, on top of the higher research costs. Microelectronics is already a fairly big hurdle on its own, at least with the way I play.

Of course the fish are harder to research it's a way more ancient technology

Thanks boss. You get us.

@StockSounds Good idea, I'm planning on making a few more gravship based scenarios. Including potentially a neolithic/animal tech one

Hmmmmmmmmmmm...
Come to think of it, if you just use the starting scenario then you get the gravship for free still, so it still works... And then if you don't select that scenario then you get a permanent base instead of a moving one, so it doesn't close up the nomadic spaceship thing at all.

Apologies, that makes a lot of sense. Though might I suggest an addition to Progression: Scenarios for your best idea for an earlier tech gravship start that mimics the base game giving it to you early without starting you in space being chased by mechs?

@StockSounds What you see as it not working well is the entire point of these mods. It's supposed to take a long time to advance through all the content. In my modpack it works exactly how I want it to.

Yes, what about when I said that tech advancing from your own modpack doesn't even work that well?

@StockSounds Those concerns are the intention of the mod. You need tech traversal for this to make sense, yeah.

can you pretty please address my concerns?

@Eshmockmock I agree, I really hate how they don't integrate the DLCs into the base game.

While at work I was thinking how absurdly easy it was to research gravtech. This mod is really a godsend.

Bro this is exactly what I was looking for. I hate hate hate that they just give you everything neat on a silver platter, and not organically as is with the base game. Thank you!

"ooga booga.. over."

@Stormline526 Quests come in from a short-range radio. Canonically, all factions have it regardless of tech level. My mods respect that part.

This raises a question for me.

What is involved in delaying quests?

I find it quite immersion breaking to get quests at an animal tech level, and am wondering if there is a way to disable quests until after the Animal tech period.

It just doesnt make sense to me that the various factions would be making requests of a group of wild men, or informing wildmen about ancient prototyoe reactor systems.

Okay so, in hindsight, I have two thoughts.

1. Gravships are way less efficient than shuttles at what they do, so this doesn't really make the other modes of transport viable for longer.

2. Apparently, you can't actually craft a grav engine, despite there being all sorts of grav research. This means that if you're not in spacer tech , then you just don't get to have a gravcore unless you go get another mod.
I wouldn't say VFE - Tribals is the best solution, because VFE - Tribals requires you to do ALL of the industrial research just to advance. The whole nine hundred yards, and many more if you use mods, or even just DLC.
Progression: Core allows the ratio of progress to advancement to be changed, but that also effects shorter tech levels, meaning that the medieval stage becomes all the lowly and thin.
Surely, you've seen the visual of that massive difference with the RRR Progression Fork's display, so do you know what to do about the sheer size of industrial?

@Pogrzebacz No, it's Progression: Scenarios.

Hi, im not sure but i think that this mod is responsible for changing starting reasearch for gravship scenario, could you make it optional?

@Big Head Zach I don't know. Removing stuff midsave is never a good idea though.

If removed from a save, will the gravship quest immediately fire?

v4 - fixed error

@Mac Ah, it assumes you have Progression Scenarios. Will fix now

https://gist.github.com/HugsLibRecordKeeper/b095b8016aa261f304ee26ec0c48685f
Error related to this mod still present.

Hey Ferny, just tested again after the update, I clicked to change them to Ally and it worked, for neutral it changes nothing, I guess it's an issue from the base game itself, not your mod, thanks for the correction, cheers mate!

v3 - added patch for the new gravship scenario in Progression Scenarios

@Yautja Just checked, it works fine. I'm neutral with Empire

For some reason, even after updating the mod, the Empire is still not going above -100 on relationship, even using the dev menu :(

never realized how stupid research cost was

@skimaskalx Yeah I just double checked. Not sure what you mean.

@skimaskalx You don't get basic gravtech research if you inspect a gravengine in basegame either. What it does is unlocks the opportunity, but if you are a spacer then that project is avaialble without restriction. Am I missing something? Lmk