I think the projectiles could be reworked

actually, you could argue his hustle is his charge. even gives a quarter of meter.

You maybe forgot or didn't think of adding a hustle for Omega, might i suggest one that's just him going "Ware wa MESSIAH nari" :3

I think i found bug. Omega's grab isn't working. Every time I try to grab someone, they just freeze in place, and the grab animation does not play.

or pay money :joshfe:

just name yourself Omega

Kinda wish the P2 look was an option for player 1

That means that the opponent either dosent have omega outright or one of you two has an outdated version. If it's the former ggs, if it's the latter trying verifying your game so the workshop auto updates.

Why can't I load Omega? He has a listing in the character select, but it's always grayed out outside of singleplayer.

hm hm yeah but the zoner deserve it :joshfe:

Other then that yeh he's actually on the finer end now

Actually my only real complaint for em right now (if this is still true) would be that his sadness force approach makes him permanently projectile invuln until un-sadded, I think it would probably be better if only the start of it was invuln (Like 10-30 ticks or so)

It does motivate the non-approaching player to actually go in and do their stuff but it kind of feels like it supports a rush-down style gameplan a bit more then hindering it tbh

Omegas strengths come from how he's an amazing shoto but also has to keep himself at a relatively close range if he wants to upkeep charge stacks, especially after nerfs.

I think Omega is in the best state he's been so far, albeit still very strong due to a huge emphasis on midrange harassment via charge projectiles + Buster

but... that is just true for any character
abeit even more true for a character that force to approach you on sadness like Omeag

I come back and people are still complaining about Omega as if he's the worst thing since Homework assignments...

Of which, Omega is honestly not that bad of a character balance wise. Hell, Inkless has patched and tweaked him several times in the last couple months and he has to be, currently, at his best balance wise imo. More importantly, a lot of Inklessbrush's old comments on how to fight against Omega still holds true, which can be summed up in a single sentence: JUST BAIT OUT HIS AGGRESSION.

because your "critique" was, to put it politely, dogwater. What, do you think a server full of relatively seasoned players havent picked this character apart from every angle yet? because this server exists and they HAVE. And if you want to see for yourself, you are welcome to join this discord.

We have come to the general consensus that, aside from a few small things, they are fine. And the things that might not be you entirely ignore to complain about mid-tier tools like crush. Its outrageous and speaks volumes to how little about the game you actually know.

It is as "inconsistant" as when the move become a "problem" according to you. Need condition this, placement that, etc. Just nothing burger.

Its called "counterplay" fyi

what i'm sayng is your solution to a problem that shouldn't even exist is very inconsistant

mhm yes very cases much strong, I should consider not consider

except the times when he croses you up for some reason and now he can be plus on block (or hit you otg) point blank
or the times when you are against the wall and now it covers both rolls
(or the times when di up just doesen't even work for some reason, wich doesen't realy matter , becouse one move both being good oki and hiting otg shouldn't be considered ok in the first place)

- DI up, combo ended on no charge.

- Plus on block disminished by the distance after the move is done.

- Only hit roll backward.

- The "cheap damage" in question is 1150, Cowboy Hslash does 1000, Ninja Sweep does 1200, and those can combo.

why [crush] hits OTG AND is + on block AND can cover a roll (and also does cheap damage unlike [heavy] )? it doesent even require any setup to do this all, just aerial grab

skin you can buy at inkless' kofi

I think I saw someone with a version that completely changed Omega's appearance, how do I do that? (wasn't just a different style, the animations and body shape were completely different I think)

amazing rant but any of real value here is "buster trade with jab", rest skimmed

- i know , i deleted them before it was changed
- im not sayng its good in long range, but its literaly your best close range option
- its a stance, that you enter via swich out of almost anyithing (including dash)
just noticed, for some reason you pass trough them while shooting, wich means, that if you have forward momentum it starts combos even without a traid (sometimes you cant even be hit or grabed while doing so

Except that omega can't even charge manually at a distance past midrange, which has been a thing for a long time now.

The buster shot projectile itself does no hitstun and barely any damage, it's the explosion that actually does anything- which is easily avoided because of how slowly the projectile travels. Literally just move a little so you don't get hit. It's not rocket science.

Trading is a little weird but it's a stance so it's something you can easily watch out and account for.

buster can traid with opponents jab (and any other move) wich results in neutral in worst case, in many cases it starts combo, buster shot also stays for so long, that it forces them to block after they throw you

"Vanilla level"

(might be a bit outdated, cus i deleted them like 4 months ago, but i don't think it changet much)
(also keep in mind , that these characters was around current vanilla level when they released, and i don't remember them geting any nerfs )

@The Online Chibi yeah, thats why im deleted them, when i play them its unfun, mostly becouse it doesent feel fair
most of vanilla are strong becouse of how many simple tricks and techniques they have and how explored they are, but Lams characters are either just strong and linear or even stronger and convoluted

specificly omega is first type, but also has a problem of wantimg to run away and charge his gimmic

the big sword in question:

Tbh though if Trinity has a hand in it that's at least a good sign

These characters have a history of being far above vanilla level. I'm far from the only one with these thoughts, but I've seen alot of past comments get deleted when addressing it (including 1 of my own).

lmfao

OK SO I WASNT GONNA BE OUT OF LINE IF I NERFED THEM

the cinder blocks need nerf anyway I think, deadass mario green shell

If Pubbers think Omega Zero's OP, then they're gonna Cope, Cry, and Quit in that order if they ever come up against BunBun.

pubber will call anyone op if they are a smiggle of vanilla level lol

I did what i could tho

hes in a better spot now, but is still quite strong

@Colourdreams all inklessbrush characters are op.

in short, is he not op anymore?

# PT 2 of changes

- Universal pushback on block reduced by 5%
- Some moves like Crush and Sweep do not have this modifier
- Buster (EX) travels faster
- Buster hitstun reduced (14 > 9)
- Buster SDI modifier increased
- Damage from Raku projectiles reduced from 45 to 25
- Multihit damage on Heavy projectile reduced from 15 to 9
- Multihit min damage on Heavy projectile reduced from 15 to 7
- Spin's Buster cancel frame increased by 1 frame (to allow for knockback)

fixes:
- Zero skin no longer needs a space next to ZERO in style

# Changes Pt 1:
- Zero voicelines added to ZERO skin
- Cutin for Omega changed
- Added a codex (needs trimays character codex)

qol:
- Overdrive time now displays when Omega has overdrive

balance:
- Break is now +0 on block
- Spin is now +0 on block
- Split is now usable in the air (uses an air option)
- Raku projectiles vel cut on hit reduced from 5 to 3
- Raku projectiles can no longer hit OTG
- The base can still hit OTG
- Rekka and Rekka projectiles can still hit OTG
- Descend is now 0 prt instead of -1 prt

(verify game files every so often, is what i meant)

No updates have occured beyond the rework and some hotfixes. While yomi SHOULD update your mods whenever you open the game, Steam is weird and won't do that sometimes. Just verify integrity of game files (look up how to do that on google) and youll be good

Ok, so i SEE talks of an update, but idk if i have it updated XD

do i need to unsubscribe then re subscribe or something to be sure? or should that just automatically happen?

thanks trinity!

its gonna be fixed soon dw