If you ignore the slime-theming of it, there's also value to the slime genes' mechanic of having a flexible body size. Especially when interacting with content that relies heavily on hitting body size thresholds. The growth and shrink rays can also accomplish this, but they suffer from opinion losses because using them counts as being attacked.

@RedMattis

Heh, that's entirely fair - It was just perplexing me that there were a few seemingly-arbitrary outliers like the "Snake Ambush" gene and its variants from the Lamias and Snakepeople Xenotypes that aren't present in Genes and More itself, despite the snake tail and Marilith body genes themselves being present.

Where can i find the gene tools in this mod? I'm not seeing them in the research tree or in devmode??

Hello, pawns with big genes a do not take enough nutrient paste from the dispenser to fill up the need bar. They take multiple pre-made meals (simple, survival etc.), but when using the dispenser, they'd only ever take 1.

@Cap'n MacHaddish
Almost all genes are in this one.

The most notable exception is stuff like the B&S Slime abilities because I think "Slime Genes" is too specific to be of general use.

Similarly the xenotype-dependent genes like the dracul's bite that adds Dracul-vampirism is not here, because it depends on the Dracul Xenotype.

The only exception is Big & Small Yokai where I've mostly just forgotten to migrate them over.

> up til now [...]

It was actually the other way around. It used to be 30% or so of the genes weren't in here.

Genuine question - what's going on with some of the xenotype/faction mods that depend on this? The VAST majority of the genes used by xenotypes in all of them are already in this mod, but a small handful of the dependent xenotype mods add one or two genes that for some reason AREN'T present here in Genes & More - or even more confusingly, CLAIM to add a few that aren't in Genes & More, but confusingly only a portion of those actually ARE exclusive to the xenotype submod, with others being in Genes & More despite indication otherwise.

I'm not objectionable to adding the specific xenotype mods, but I'm more than a little baffled by the inconsistency - up til now I thought that all of Red's own xenotype mods that depended on B&S Genes & More were essentially just adding items, xenotypes, and factions, with ALL genes being packed into this mod.

@B Flat
Check the mod called "Too Many Mods - Compats and Rebalances". It merges/remove redundancy/qualize a lot of mods together including Alpha Genes and Big and Small.

https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3250762483

Is there a page/mod that is a stand alone for the "gene tools" here?
No, I don't want to use cherry picker to remove all the other stuff just to have these alone.
Yes, all the other stuff here is neat and cool, but I already have enough to keep me occupied and the frames are sitting at a consistent 30fps lol

Nevermind, it looks like Kurin apparel is being incorrectly flagged as armor by another mod, so I'll have to look into that.

Operator assistable raider also doesn't spawn with a pilot, but doesn't get downed by it.

Yeah, pilotable secondskin does it too. The x10% hunger rate works properly, but the raiders don't spawn with pilots.

An absolute treat of a mod, thank you for making it! How does it work with other big gene mods, like Alpha Genes? I usually don't like to use big packs together because of all the redundancy.

I was about to say that file verification succeeded, but it looks like workshop items are verified separately, so I'm going to test again.

And files successfully validated.

Yeah, a raiding pawn of a custom xenotype with Operator Required gene will immediately down as soon as the game is unpaused. Also that gene in particular is missing the 10% hunger rate effect while not piloted.

How is the definition of armor for the 'No Armor' gene determined? I added the gene to a Kurin colonist (from HAR Edition) and they just dropped everything but their underwear, so apparently Kurin clothing is also considered armor. Is there any way I can tweak that?

Also, just wanted to say I'm a massive fan of the series, and I'm starting to read up on modding specifically to build on the B&S framework!
(Hoping to build a dedicated size-themed social mod)

Quick question, Are the shrink rays still a thing?
I can't seem to spawn them, even with the dev console.

The research for "Mad Scientist Field Testing" is still there...
Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places. But I'm only seeing the animal serums.

It's been a few months since I last checked whether the pilot is generated or not, but I was getting pilotable secondskin raiders spawning in already downed, and one time it was enough to immediately cause the rest to run away. I'll check again.

@Tatha
They are enabled if you have B&S Genes. There is a mod option to disable them (generated defs)

@bluescreen1988
It doesn't scale, rather you get different bonuses based on which level you have at certain thresholds.

@Tathar
They should always get a pilot. Try verifying files otherwise.

If other mods add the gene after the fact (generic drift or something?) I don't think I can do much about that.

@Trashman
I'll have a look. The Dub's Hygiene compat used to work, but might have ran into issues in 1.6

Well, "mechanical being" status is not working as intended, and a mechanical pawn still need water, hygene and other stuff from Dubs Bad Hygene

Would it be possible to make raiders/other factions' pawns with the pilotable/operator genes spawn in with a pilot present so they don't spawn downed? It would help me avoid accidentally cheesing some raids I get that send pawns with my custom pilotable xenotypes.

If it's too big an ask, I can continue relying on workarounds and dev mode.

does this mod or Framework add a health state ?

does the mystic warrior gene actually scale with psy- sensitivity? From testing it it seems to just be a small sharp and blunt armor buff no matter what their sensitivity is.

Would it be possible to make a patch (or something similar—I’m not a modder, so I’m not sure of the exact term) for these two mods?

VPE - Biotech Integration for Alpha Animals and More!
https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3136993011

Vanilla Psycast Expanded - Biotech Integration
https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/workshop/filedetails/?id=3110971925

I think they’d pair really well with your Big and Small Races mods

Ah gotcha, thanks for that information. I'll turn that on and try to spawn a new one back in then.

You didn't mention fixing it in the patch notes, but the metamorph triggers category (Metamorph Genes) seems to be back while using my regular modlist. Not sure whether you moved it to the optional features or fixed something with it in the latest update, but thanks either way!

Could you please add configs for some of the genes like Gene-Eater? i was hoping to stop Gene eater from allowing you to gain Archite genes but i saw there were no configs at all (Also amazing mod, its very fun to play with all these genes)

@Ursugor, Max Pendragon
They are disabled by default if you don't have any of the content mods (e.g. Big & Small Races). You can use the "Optional Content" mod to get all the optional features, including stuff like the giant meals.

I removed it from the because people kept complaining about adding weapons to a "gene mod".

@awmrko
Technically RNG iirc. But it will usually take a few days to a few weeks. Absolute minimum 2/3 of a day.

@kadzooks20
Yes, Big & Small Races requires this mod, and so do most of my other faction/race mods (excepting Simply Robots .

@Tathar @RedMattis
I checked, the last updates break the weapons Skrýmir's Mallet, Sword of Surtr.
I downloaded an older version and replaced the current one, and they're back ( Older version [github.com])
I hope this helps.

I am surprised there is a Short Pregnancy Gene, but no Long Pregnancy Genes.

Hi! Great mod! What is the maximum resurrection time for a pawn with the Immortal return gene? And do pawns lose skills or anything else after being resurrected?

If I use the Races one do I need this too? It sounds like it but I just wanted to be sure

And to clarify, I mean the triggers as in "Metamorph day" and "Retromorph pre-adult" rather than the xenotype targets they would metamorph into.

Can someone else confirm the metamorph triggers are missing for them too? I didn't have it in the test, but I have used the Xenotype Exporter mod in the past.

I also can't find the non-persona Skrýmir's Mallet or Sword of Surtr in debug actions.

Yeah, I just checked in the xenotype editor again and the entire gene category for metamorph triggers is missing, as well as the genes. The metamorph targets category is still there.

I'll take another look, but as of yesterday, the entire metamorph triggers section wasn't showing up in the xenotype editor for me with this mod and prereqs by itself.

Were the Skrýmir's Mallet, Sword of Surtr removed with this last update? suddenly gone from my pawn and cannot spawn a new one in with the debug tool.

@RedMattis
I tried that but with my modlist, Insector and insectoids 2, it deletes the geneline evolution. Of course it could just be my modlist that is fucked. Im trying to make an Insector that steals genes with Incorporate and with the Endogene Implanter stinger ability. One good endogene at a time and chestburst a new improved insector family.

@Tathar
I don't think anything related to those have changed.

If it was a custom xenotype exported via the Xenotype Exporter Mod (which is the only way my mod can "see" them and generate genes) then you might have accidentally deleted the exported xenotype you made?

@Steiner
You could combine it with the gene that lets you integrate genes. :)

Did something happen to the metamorph/retromorph trigger genes? My error log is suddenly mad that a custom xenotype using one of the triggers can't find the gene anymore. I deleted the custom xenotype and the error went away, but I can't really do much with the target genes if the triggers aren't there anymore.

Would it be easy to change the Incorporate Gene to make it into Endogenes instead of Xenogenes?

I suspect that the other pilotable/operator genes might also have the same issue, but testing statues is too random for me to perform a more comprehensive test.

Now I'm curious whether other genes can cause problems too.

Noted. I’ll try to reproduce the pulotable+statue issue later (after work), thanks. :)

Yep, looks like the pilotable secondskin gene by itself is enough to consistently cause NRE spam on any statue with that pawn as the subject, and the statue doesn't render the pawn's appearance. Just this mod, Character Editor, and prerequisite mods in the list. Only tested while the pawn lacked a pilot, and didn't test any other genes.

I'm regretting the choice to not use a dev-mode map to test the statues

When all else fails you can try recreating it in a dev-mode map. If it happens there, try removing half your mods until it goes away. The re-add until you know exactly what mod.

If the character is a HAR race it might be some tag on that race blocking the gene.

@Richard what are the other genes on that pawn?

well it names the pawn and the gene instead of saying pawn or gene so I said that for convenience. how do I find out what is doing it?