is it like a Daze like in the butcher's Circus?

Wait I'm a dummy, this mod actually *predates* the Daze mechanic lol (just noticed the upload date)
Can't believe Red Hook stole your idea /s

Kinda reminds me of the Daze mechanic from Butcher's Circus what with the big speed debuff
Wonder if it'd be possible to edit the FX and tooltips to say "Daze" or something instead of stun, or would that be too much of a headache coding-wise?

interesting! Thanks for the help

Won't do anything then. Unless that skill uses instant buff for random target (you would need this workaround if, for example, it has condition or there's another skill or trinket modifying that random chance, in this case it would add to it

what would happen if a skill allready has a random target chance? would the stun recovery part override the skill or add to it?

This is a great idea and i love playing with it

Without turn remove, u can make funny things, using custom trinkent mechanics =) Funny but broken as hell XDDD
https://ibb.co/0m7sg6q

yes, it does

This mod still works fine with the most recent updates and DLCs? It also works with Custom Classes and Custom Monsters?

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-100 Dodge
-12 Speed
normaly

"Don't remove turn" just shit and illogical

root would probably mean immobilization aka "can't change position"
it would be closer to cripple/struck/contuse

well then is it realy a stun in gamer terminology?

id say that this turns stuns into roots at best

Speed debuff is powerful for sure, but like you said it's not as good as removing a turn. That's the point, because vanilla stuns can be pretty overpowered. The problem is there are quite a few enemies that REQUIRE the basic stun mechanic of taking a turn, or else they become significantly stronger than they already are.

I'm considering adding more debuffs to stun recovery but I want to keep it as simple as possible. Also, do not underestimate speed debuffs.

Just add some penalty to ACC and damage to stun debuff. After all if someone hit your head with mace you cant hit him back as accurate and as powerful as before. Right now its good idea, but really too weak.

@Doom Nukem
Thanks for feedback. I think speed debuffs are very heavy, and you can also chain stun now. Yeah it's mostly weaker than removing turn but that's the idea.

I like the concept and am not a big fan of vanilla stuns, but I think this makes the balancing worse overall. Stuns are probably a little overpowered in vanilla, but still a lot of skills and bosses need them to be dangerous and useful. A speed and dodge buff, while good, aren't as good as removing a turn, not even close, and given how DD calculates initiative order, I've found even massively debuffing enemies that are normally fast still lets them go pretty quickly. Granted it's nice to not miss stunned enemies now much, if at all, but like I said, so many things rely on Stun being very, very good, and without it they become less relevant. Again, not that this is a bad concept at all, but I feel it needs a little more going on. Maybe a debuff to Accuracy to start with.

I have to thank and congratulate you for your excellent description of your mod, even explaining how vanilla works.
The workshop if full of "fun mods" that have little or no explanation, and as such are no help and of no worth.
Good job, I hope more modders were like you!

I always wondered how stunned enemy can "dodge" my attack but now it's over finally

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yep

So characters like Bounty Hunter, the "Fnish Him" skill in specific, would still do extra damage to stunned foes?

Random target chance affects both ally and enemy targetted skills

Really good idea. I've never liked the current version of the stun much and would much prefer it something akin to this in that it's similar to a 'super debuff' for a turn.

I'm interested in what the 'random target chance' means. Does it mean a random player target or does it also include their own allies? Because that would be really interesting.

well thought!!!

thats something I would like to see in vanilla.