Lords of Infinity

Lords of Infinity

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Optimal character guide (Royalist saboteur)
By MPN
Between Royalist and Wulframite run, it is obvious that Royalist is the preferable choice: many notable characters we’ve interacted with in previous parts will side with the Griffin Throne (Caz, Kat, Welles, Reyes, etc.), they have a much clearer plan to improve the kingdom, the army is loyal to the monarch, and many more reasons.

However, siding with the Griffin Throne means you'll be broke unless you double cross your sugar daddy. In the beginning, I figured the optimal route would be to go Admiralty and no saboteur, but that option still leave you in debt and not a lot of money. Then I read Vernon Roche's suggestion and tried it out and succeeded. Thus, I'll show you the guide for saboteur instead, which gives you lots of money, and a rather powerful position in the end anyway.

Of course, there are many way and to play (and/or roleplay) this game, but I want to point out one, among many, ways to play to get to the (IMO) optimal outcome.

Import the character I suggested in Sabres and Guns to play. Feedbacks are welcome!

Sabres Guide
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1/ I won’t include inconsequential decisions in this guide (personalities will affect sometimes, but it’s only for flavor most of the time). If you don’t see my choice in the list of choices, it means that list has inconsequential choices.

2/ I will shorten the terms for convenience:
Cazarosta->caz, Elson->els,Cunaris->cun,Lefebvre->lef
Soldiering->sol,Intellect->int,Charisma->cha,Reputation->rep
Idealism->Ideal,Ruthlessnes->ruth,Sergeant->sgt
Discipline->dis,morale->mor,loyalty->loy
Royalist->roy,Wulframite->wul

3/ I’ll use a blank line to separate between choices.

4/ For estate random events, generally go for choices that favor your fief.
a. For the merchant vs tenant event, you should generally side with your tenant early in the game and the merchant later in the game.
b. For the elf tourist event, just apologize and pay them 100$. We need the rep.
Shipowners Choices - part 1
Wulfram is mistaken; we must maintain our defences, regardless of the difficulty.
-> Wulfram's words must be answered, and I will answer them.

"My apologies, Your Grace, but I am already spoken for this evening."

I'd rather like to catch up with Blaylock and Sandoral.
OR
Perhaps I ought to speak with Lord Marcus.
OR
I ought to speak with Palliser.
- Among the guests, increasing opinion of Palliser or Marcus is probably the best. Takara will side with Wulfram and Hugh already has a high opinion of us. Choose 2 out of these 3 options. If you talked with Kat instead of your men in chap 7 of Guns, don't talk with your men now.

Palliser's sentiment is noble, and I am sure his intentions are good. I approve.
OR
It seems like a good idea, but such endeavours are never as easy as they seem.
- You need at least 35 ideal for this.

I shall try to inspire them, convince them that we are bound for greater things.
- You can opt for the last option instead for more cynicism, but it costs 40$

…the talks came to nothing. There was no engagement.

"Times are hard for all; I cannot afford to lower rents anytime soon."

I mean to attend to the matter of my family's debts.
-> I must try to renegotiate the interest on my loans.
The village could use some improvements.
-> Let's see to refurbishing the village shrine.
- A school is another good choice, but I’m pretty sure shrine is the best one among them.

I should use this time to record my recollections of my time at war.

"You would be most welcome to stay here a while."

The realm needs me; I must go to Aetoria and make my voice heard.
Or
There's opportunity to be had in the capital, and I mean to seize it.

I appoint Loch as my estate manager.

Perhaps I may talk these men down?
-> "You could choose to work for me."
-> These men must hang, and I will ensure that they do.
- Life is full of difficult choices. Some of the baneless may die, but it is a sacrifice the bane-blooded is willing to take.

Take a closer look at townhouses around Victory Square.
-> I will settle for the new build, it is more my style.

I should send some money home, to help improve my fief.
-> Send 2000$
I mean to attend to the matter of my family's debts.
-> I'll draw upon my connections to arrange a new loan on more favourable terms.
-> I will see what friends in the capital are willing to assist me.
- Now is a good time to loan based on reputation. You can recover it later.

The Shipowners' Club sounds like my sort of place. I should look into it.
-> I shall apply to join the Shipowners Club without further delay.
-> Choose all of the first 4 options.
- You can go visit in person if you like, to meet your broker, my favorite character by far.

"I fear Her Highness is right. We must consider the repercussions of even our personal decisions."
-> "I accept, Your Highness."

"It is good to see you as well, my lady."
-> "Will I see you on the Army Reform Commission?"
-> "Good day then, my lady."
- Getting back some lost opinion when you refuse to take her side in Guns.

The King's Government must help the King's subjects, whatever the cost. I vote in favour.
OR
A reputation as Wulfram's ally will serve me well. I vote in favour.
- We should still get some opinion from Wulfram since we plan to be saboteur later.

I must see what benefit I might secure for my home region.

I would like to consider making some investments.
-> I am investing 5000 crown.

I mean to attend to the matter of my family's debts.
-> I'll draw upon my connections to arrange a new loan on more favourable terms.
-> Perhaps the Shipowners can offer me some assistance here.

"He speaks well of us; that must mean something?"
-> "Shall I call upon you sometime?"
- We’re in Chap 4 now.

"Very well, I shall make a donation."
-> Donate 400$
- The less you donate the stronger Wulfram’s position will be since the people will suffer, hence more resentment towards the king.

I should send some money home, to help improve my fief.
-> Send 1000$

I mean to attend to the matter of my family's debts.
-> I'll draw upon my connections to arrange a new loan on more favourable terms.
-> I'll call upon my connections at Grenadier Square.

I would like to consider making some investments.
-> I am investing 5000 crown.
- Reload the chapter if at the end of the chapter your investment is less than 14000$. You should get this after 2 or 3 tries unless you’re unlucky.

I would like to make some calls upon my friends and acquaintances.
-> I reacquaint myself with Lady Katarina.
-> "Do you still serve Royal Intelligence, then?"
-> "Then what is to become of…us?"
-> It doesn't matter! I'll fight for my beloved's hand, impossibility or not!
OR Leoniscourt is too rich a prize to give up, even at such odds.
- Best warcrime waifu.

I must turn my attention to the Army Reform Commission.
-> We'll learn the most from the experiences of the junior officers. I vote with Palliser.

I mean to see about enhancing my reputation and influence.
-> I should work towards increasing my stature within the Shipowners Club.

I mean to see about enhancing my reputation and influence.
-> I work towards swaying my fellow club members towards the King's faction.

I vote for the Duke of Wulfram's budget.

If the Kian are willing to assist us, then that is only for the good.

I should send some money home, to help improve my fief.
-> Send 500$

I would like to consider making some investments.
-> I am investing 1000 crown.

The Club sounds like a good way to spend a winter.
-> "I would be happy to join you, sir."
-> "We are men of means, surely we can do better than that?"
-> I play as hard as I can, and I play to win.
-> I play aggressively in the hopes of securing a fortune.

I should send some money home, to help improve my fief.
-> Send 1000$

I mean to attend to the matter of my family's debts.
-> I shall require a great deal of money; 5000 crown, at least.

I would like to consider making some investments.
-> I am investing 5000 crown.

I must stay in Aetoria. I have obligations here I must fulfil.
OR
Leaving Aetoria means leaving my power and influence behind. I'll not do it.

"You have been a good friend, and I should hope to see you again one day."

"Very well. Let us set our efforts to this scheme."
-> "Tell only those with Cortes seats, to maximise the chance of success."
-> "What do you think, Master Blanco? Could we sell ten thousand Crown worth of shares?"
- Time to make some money!

I'd better stop Castermaine before he scuttles the idea of standard officer training altogether.

It is my duty to speak in support of the Kian treaty.

I vote in favour of the treaty and the King's budget.

"If those are the only choices allowed, I must regretfully declare myself the Crown's enemy."
- Now is Chap 6. As long as you join Wulfram’s faction, you no longer have to worry about interest. You can now borrow money as much as you like. Start borrowing 5000$ each turn from the bank. Restart the chapter if your investment profit this turn is less than 5%.

I mean to attend to the matter of my family's debts.
-> I shall require a great deal of money; 5000 crown, at least.
- Continue borrowing money each turn like this.

I should send some money home, to help improve my fief.
-> Send 3500$

I would like to consider making some investments.
-> I need to pull everything out, right now.
- Pull out now, or you’ll be hit hard next turn.

Yes, I think I will make a donation.
-> Donate either 50/150/400/1000/2000$. The more you donate the more rep gain you’ll get. I recommend donating 2000$ since you’ll be swimming in money and need rep soon.

Damn the Cortes, I'd rather play Tassenswerd.
-> I play aggressively, seizing every opportunity to win.
-> There's no need to investigate. I daresay I already know the cause.
-> If the others are profiting from Meran's misfortune, then I intend to as well.
Shipowners Choices - part 2
"I am well, sir—and very pleased to be under your command once more."

Before all else, soldiers must have discipline!

No compromise: this Commission cannot hamstring itself for the sake of politickal expediency.

"You seem very sure of this, Your Grace."
-> "I mean to keep the peace, Your Grace, regardless of the circumstances."
- During dinner with Wulfram, choices 2 and 5 will have 3 options, choose the middle one for both.

We should keep our distance and observe, but no more unless necessary.
-> So long as the crowd remains peaceful, we can leave them be.

"I cannot apologise for my actions. I did what I thought right."

I would like to consider making some investments.
-> I am investing 5000 crown.
Borrow 5000$ as well, of course.

"I mean to take this seriously. Seal off the streets, find me some witnesses."
-> Arrest someone who resembles the description, someone who won't be missed. He'll do.
- Life is full of difficult choices. Some of the baneless may die, but it is a sacrifice the bane-blooded is willing to take.

It would be best if I stayed out of this debate.
(Optional): We cannot afford to discount the advantages new weapon designs provide.
-> The Commission should recommend full and immediate adoption.
- By debating for the rifle, you’llt gain Garing opinion but lose rep, and allow the Cavalry school to dominate the Infantry school. I prefer to allow some reforms from the Infantry school.

First Squadron is the softest of the lot, I'll pitch in there.

Each incident must be judged individually, independent of politickal circumstance or allegiance.

"Saints above, Sir Caius. It is good to see you again."
-> On the contrary, it is her devotion to duty which attracts me, among other things.

"Twenty or so men will serve my purposes well enough. First Squadron may take the rest."
-> My command will shoulder the burden of the worst, so First Squadron won't have to.

I would like to consider making some investments.
-> I am investing 5000 crown.
Borrow 5000$ as well, of course. By this point, you should have the maximum number of tenants (250) if you’re not unlucky.

"In my position, compromises must occasionally be made."

I'll agree to Wulfram's request, but only to harm his schemes from the inside.
- Kill switch: ON

I need a diversion; some games of Tassenswerd at the Shipping Exchange will suffice.
-> I will raise my own wagers—but no more than I can afford.
-> "I'd rather not deal in such matters."
- I won’t say no to free 750$

I might still use my connections at the club to strengthen my position.
-> I mean to use my status within the Shipowners to advance the goals of my faction.

I take a personal hand in the regiment's drill, to prepare them for what is to come.
-> Drill first and second squadrons.

If I am to rely upon the men, I must ensure that they are loyal to me.
-> I can use my pull at Grenadier Square to do the men a few favours.
- You can bribe them instead, but it will cost you 1200/2400/3600$, which I think is not worth it.

First Squadron will go to Captain Blaylock.
- We mentored him back in Guns just for this reason. He’ll make first squadron a lot more powerful.

I must prepare for the day Wulfram realises I am his enemy: embody the Houseguard.

I should follow Garret's 'advice' and find out where my family's debt is being kept.
- Money money money!

"If you gain Leoniscourt, your sister loses it."

- Final Battle begins
I should inspect the men one last time, just in case.
-> Order the advance. It's time we got moving.

I'll take advantage of the chaos in the streets to deal with my debt permanently.
-> Set the building on fire, but make sure those inside can get out.
-> We've not the time for further diversions. We must press on!

Perhaps I can convince Lord Meran to remove his forces from the city altogether?

If Crittenden has taken the docks, perhaps I might find some way to obstruct his efforts?

I shall intervene in negotiations—and make very certain that they fail.

Send First Squadron at the mob and Second Squadron at the Cuirassiers.
-> "Saints above, am I glad to see you."
-> "How do we fare elsewhere in the city?"
-> "I will do my utmost, sir."

"No. We're not savages. Let us endeavour to be civil here."
-> "Send in the militias."
-> Call the militias forward and send them in.
-> We should shoot to disable one of Crittenden's ships, without harming her crew.
- Royal forces: 87, Wulfram forces: 25. I can do much better than this but it requires me going admiralty route and not saboteur (128 vs 0 IIRC), but we’ll be fairly poor.

"And I am very pleased to see you as well, my lady."

- Final stats:
Afterwords
1/ This playthrough relies quite a bit of luck to get your investments to be profitable. But having lots of money and no debt will really simplify future financial managements. Also, you will still be the Earl of Castermaine with this route, which was really hard. I failed 2 times before succeeding.

2/ Some drawbacks of this route: Lower Royal Influence, lower reputation, lower grenadier influence, lower Kian envoy opinion, lower Lefebvre opinion, lower Cunaris opinion, smaller gap between royal's and wulfram's final forces. For Admiralty no saboteur run, I managed to get around 127 vs 0 force strength, but I did not borrow any money so I was poor and have quite a bit of debt.

3/ Comment if you have any suggestions or would like to see no saboteur playthrough.
UPDATE - Rendower Path, Part 1
I once tried Rendower saboteur path but failed, so I thought Shipowners path was more optimal. But I tried it again and succeeded, so I'll show this path as well. This path may be better than Shipowners path depending on which one you prefer. You get less money (but still plenty), no access to investment, less Cunaris opinion, but you don't have to desperately buying loan, and you get more rep, as well as royal influence. Which reminds me, back in Garing's investment in Guns, you probably can invest 2000$ instead for Rendower route. I realized this just now.

Choices:

The Duke of Wulfram is right. The war taxes must end, whatever the cost.
-> Wulfram is right. I must speak in his support.

"I'd be happy to accept your invitation, Your Grace."

I go and look to see what's going on.

I must examine that machine more closely.
-> "I think these new inventions may be the heralds of a new age of progress."

"I would agree wholeheartedly, sir."

"Unfortunately, I am already committed elsewhere."
-> "Perhaps he will mature with age?"

I shall try to inspire them, convince them that we are bound for greater things.
- You can opt for the last option instead for more cynicism, but it costs 40$

…the talks came to nothing. There was no engagement.

"Times are hard for all; I cannot afford to lower rents anytime soon."

I mean to attend to the matter of my family's debts.
-> I must try to renegotiate the interest on my loans.
The village could use some improvements.
-> Let's see to refurbishing the village shrine.

I could try to become more acquainted with my brother and sister.
(If you have siblings)
OR
There must be some way to keep myself occupied.
-> I ought to practise speaking and carrying myself, lest I become slovenly in my isolation.

"You would be most welcome to stay here a while."

The realm needs me; I must go to Aetoria and make my voice heard.
Or
There's opportunity to be had in the capital, and I mean to seize it.

I appoint Loch as my estate manager.

Perhaps I may talk these men down?
-> "You could choose to work for me."
-> Choose any of the 3 follow up options.
- Betray them will net you some fief content and rep, but huge ruth gain. Hiring them will cost you a small amount of maintenance fee each turn, but they may be of use in the sequels.

What does the Castle Quarter have to offer?
-> The medium-sized townhouse seems best suited for me.
- You need 35 wulfram inf to get 15 club inf, which is necessary in chapter 4. Alternatively, you can get the best townhouse in Castle Quarter and instead join Palliser’s dinner back in the prologue. Both options are fine.

I should send some money home, to help improve my fief.
-> Send 2000$
I mean to attend to the matter of my family's debts.
-> I'll draw upon my connections to arrange a new loan on more favourable terms.
-> I will see what friends in the capital are willing to assist me.
- Now is a good time to loan based on reputation. You can recover it later.

I shall make further inquiries regarding membership in the Rendower Club.
-> I apply to join the Rendower Club.

"I fear I must decline."
-> "I do mean to join the Commission, but on my own merits."
- Join the Commission, but on your own terms.

The King's Government must help the King's subjects, whatever the cost. I vote in favour.
OR
A reputation as Wulfram's ally will serve me well. I vote in favour.
- Play the role of Wulfram’s sugar baby for now.

Yes, I mean to put myself on the Commission.
-> I shall cite my expertise as a soldier.

I must see what benefit I might secure for my home region.
- You don’t need to do anything more during management.

"He speaks well of us; that must mean something?"
-> "Shall I call upon you sometime?"

"Very well, I shall make a donation."
-> Donate 400$
- This is the exact amount that we need.

I should send some money home, to help improve my fief.
-> Send 6000$
- Depending on some variables like whether you have siblings or not, how much money did you give Garing, etc. you may not have 6000$. You can send the rest in later chapters, for now just send enough for Loch to build each turn. Just know that 6000$ is the total amount you have to send.

I would like to make some calls upon my friends and acquaintances.
-> I reacquaint myself with Lady Katarina.
-> "Do you still serve Royal Intelligence, then?"
-> "Then what is to become of…us?"
-> It doesn't matter! I'll fight for my beloved's hand, impossibility or not!
OR Leoniscourt is too rich a prize to give up, even at such odds.
- Best warcrime waifu.

I must turn my attention to the Army Reform Commission.
-> We'll learn the most from the experiences of the junior officers. I vote with Palliser.

I mean to see about enhancing my reputation and influence.
-> I should work towards increasing my stature within the Rendower Club.

I mean to see about enhancing my reputation and influence.
-> I work towards swaying my fellow club members towards the King's faction.

I vote for the Duke of Wulfram's budget.

If the Kian are willing to assist us, then that is only for the good.

I mean to attend to the matter of my family's debts.
-> I'll draw upon my connections to arrange a new loan on more favourable terms.
-> Perhaps the Rendower can offer me some assistance here.

The Club sounds like a good way to spend a winter.
-> "Why yes, I daresay I am."
-> "Is a wager really necessary, my lord?"
-> I intend to use this opportunity to get to know my companions better.
-> The sole profit I'm after is the friendship of my peers.
- You need the club influence to be invited to wulfram’s inner circle in chap 5. You’ll have plenty of money later, don’t worry.

I mean to attend to the matter of my family's debts.
-> I shall require a great deal of money; 5000 crown, at least.

I must stay in Aetoria. I have obligations here I must fulfil.
OR
Leaving Aetoria means leaving my power and influence behind. I'll not do it.

"You have been a good friend, and I should hope to see you again one day."

"Forgive me, but why is this treaty so important?"
-> "If we mean to appeal to the commons, why not go directly?"
-> I do believe I would rather hinder Wulfram than aid him.
- A saboteur? Me? Betray d’al Saboteur? No way!

I'd better stop Castermaine before he scuttles the idea of standard officer training altogether.

It is my duty to speak in support of the Kian treaty.

I vote against the treaty and the King's budget.

"It would…be in our common interests if I retained my current position within Wulfram's faction."
- Now is Chap 6. As long as you join Wulfram’s faction, you no longer have to worry about interest. You can now borrow money as much as you like. Start borrowing 5000$ each turn from the bank.

I mean to attend to the matter of my family's debts.
-> I shall require a great deal of money; 5000 crown, at least.
- Continue borrowing money each turn like this.

Yes, I think I will make a donation.
-> Donate either 50/150/400/1000/2000$. The more you donate the more rep gain you’ll get. Personally, I donated 1000$.

Damn the Cortes, I'd rather play Tassenswerd.
-> I endeavour to make friends, rather than coin.
OR
I play aggressively, seizing every opportunity to win.
-> There's no need to investigate. I daresay I already know the cause.
-> If the others are profiting from Meran's misfortune, then I intend to as well.
UPDATE - Rendower Path, Part 2
"I am well, sir—and very pleased to be under your command once more."

Before all else, soldiers must have discipline!

No compromise: this Commission cannot hamstring itself for the sake of politickal expediency.

"You seem very sure of this, Your Grace."
-> "I mean to keep the peace, Your Grace, regardless of the circumstances."
- During dinner with Wulfram, choices 2 and 5 will have 3 options, choose the middle one for both.

We should keep our distance and observe, but no more unless necessary.
-> So long as the crowd remains peaceful, we can leave them be.

"I cannot apologise for my actions. I did what I thought right."

"I mean to take this seriously. Seal off the streets, find me some witnesses."
-> Arrest someone who resembles the description, someone who won't be missed. He'll do.
- Life is full of difficult choices. Some of the baneless may die, but it is a sacrifice the bane-blooded is willing to take.

It would be best if I stayed out of this debate.
(Optional): We cannot afford to discount the advantages new weapon designs provide.
-> The Commission should recommend full and immediate adoption.
- By debating for the rifle, you’llt gain Garing opinion but lose rep, and allow the Cavalry school to dominate the Infantry school. I prefer to allow some reforms from the Infantry school.

First Squadron is the softest of the lot, I'll pitch in there.

Wulfram's supporters have the right to protest and petition; they deserve our protection.
- Just enough to get wulfram power to 0.

"Saints above, Sir Caius. It is good to see you again."
-> On the contrary, it is her devotion to duty which attracts me, among other things.

"Twenty or so men will serve my purposes well enough. First Squadron may take the rest."
-> My command will shoulder the burden of the worst, so First Squadron won't have to.

Borrow 5000$ as well, of course. By this point, you should have the maximum number of tenants (250), even if you get unlucky events.

"I move against Your Grace's supporters only to rouse their outrage, so we may all be stronger for it."
-> I'll agree to Wulfram's request, but only to harm his schemes from the inside.

I need a diversion; some games of Tassenswerd at the Shipping Exchange will suffice.
-> I will raise my own wagers—but no more than I can afford.
-> "I'd rather not deal in such matters."
- I won’t say no to free 750$

I take a personal hand in the regiment's drill, to prepare them for what is to come.
-> Drill first and second squadrons.

If I am to rely upon the men, I must ensure that they are loyal to me.
-> I can use my pull at Grenadier Square to do the men a few favours.
- You can bribe them instead, but it will cost you 1200/2400/3600$, which I think is not worth it.

I must look to restoring my own physickal and mental fitness.
-> The times ahead will require a sharpened mind, a requirement I intend to meet.
- There are several good options for the last one, actually. You can also increase your rep, train third squadron, or go meet Welles.

First Squadron will go to Captain Blaylock.
- We mentored him back in Guns just for this reason. He’ll make first squadron a lot more powerful.

I must prepare for the day Wulfram realises I am his enemy: embody the Houseguard.

I should follow Garret's 'advice' and find out where my family's debt is being kept.
- Money money money!

"If you gain Leoniscourt, your sister loses it."

- Final Battle begins
I should inspect the men one last time, just in case.
-> Order the advance. It's time we got moving.

I'll take advantage of the chaos in the streets to deal with my debt permanently.
-> Set the building on fire, but make sure those inside can get out.
-> We've not the time for further diversions. We must press on!

Perhaps I can convince Lord Meran to remove his forces from the city altogether?

If Crittenden has taken the docks, perhaps I might find some way to obstruct his efforts?

I shall intervene in negotiations—and make very certain that they fail.

Send First Squadron at the mob and Second Squadron at the Cuirassiers.
-> "Saints above, am I glad to see you."
-> "How do we fare elsewhere in the city?"
-> "I will do my utmost, sir."
- Betray d’al Saboteur is a traitor. Who woulda thought?

"No. We're not savages. Let us endeavour to be civil here."
-> "Send in the militias."
-> Call the militias forward and send them in.
-> We should shoot to disable one of Crittenden's ships, without harming her crew.
- Royal forces: 87, Wulfram forces: 25.

"And I am very pleased to see you as well, my lady."
Rendower Path Final Stats & Relationships
22 Comments
trogdor 7 Jan @ 10:55am 
Finally I'll note that since the shipowners route has two really good ways to make money and be debt free, it could stand to spend more / earn less money elsewhere. Going with the most expensive Saint Octavian house will get you more grenadier influence, more Wulfram influence, the same Royal influence, and more reputation and the total cost is offset by one 2500 investment instead of a 5000 investment. Gambling also doesn't seem that worth it since you are missing out on the biggest prize anyways, and that time could be used to get your soldiering/intelligence over the 60/65 mark. And thank you for this guide, it was very helpful since I usually like guided playthrough more than blind ones in games like this :)
trogdor 7 Jan @ 10:47am 
More generally, if the investment margin boost of reorganization carries over into the next game, I think reorganizing you investment will absolutely be worth it in the long term as an additional 4% or 5% in profits should quickly add up. Since intelligence and club influence boost the reorganization increase, I think an "optimal" path would do everything it could to increase those (invest max, increase intelligence in downtime, increase club influence in down time, don't pull out before crash) and then reorganize investments in the last management turn. You'll certainly profit less in investments in this game, but be much better placed to profit from investments in the next game. But this of course depends on what the investment mechanic looks like in the next game and if the profit factor carries over. I'll also note that reorganizing twice seems to replace the previous value rather than stack, so you should only do so once.
trogdor 7 Jan @ 10:39am 
The main difference here, though, is whether you want the majority of your money to be liquidated or in investments at the end of the game, since only being able to put 5000 at a time into investments means you cant quickly ramp back up the amount of crowns you have invested after the crash. This means you are not able to make much in profit in the final investment turn, and also of course we don't know if it would be better to have the money on hand or invested at the start of the next game. Also of note is that I had a little more club influence at the endpoint and the flavor text in stats says "As far as most of Aetoria is concerned, you are the Shipowners Club." This may be because I didn't pull out and lose influence. I'm not sure but my club influence is at 84 so after some testing it seems that the last rank up for influence with each group is at 80 influence.
trogdor 7 Jan @ 10:38am 
For shipowners route it might be better to reorganize your investments instead of pulling them out. It initially decreases your investment (to around 94% at this point), but this will give you a profit boost of around 4.5% for the remaining two turns. In the crash turn it means you might only lose a little (somewhere between 80% and 100% for your investment), and in the last turn after that you can make up to like 120% profit. It is risky, but if you're willing to restart for good luck you can lose around a thousand crowns for the reorganization, then under a thousand crowns in the crash turn, then make a profit of around five thousand crowns in the turn after that (with 5000 investment during the crash turn). If you don't want to restart then in most cases you should at least break even between the last two turns, if not make a slight profit (or just don't think about numbers too hard and assume the small loan of 5000 crowns you take after the crash replaces your losses).
MPN  [author] 21 Mar, 2024 @ 6:28am 
@swagonaswing There are a few possible reasons for this, my guess would be the first reason:
1/ Did you buy the Lt Colonel commission at the end of Guns? Several of my choices depend on that which may have led to the 2 missing inf_wulframite.
2/ Did you invest in Garing only 500$ in Guns? You may not have enough money to invest if you gave him more.
3/ You should hang the roadsmen in chapter 1, it gives you some rep that you may have needed.
4/ Bad estate event RNG. Particularly the elf tourist event, since you either lose %5 rep or 100$. Even though I don't think it should matter, you may consider reloading the chapter if you encounter it.
5/ Of course, you may have accidentally pick the wrong choice somewhere without noticing. Shipowners route is hard so I had to be very precise.

I have updated my guides to be more clear for those choices. Some variations in this game may cause unintended consequences which I overlooked, sorry about that :(
Let me know if my suggestions help.
swagonaswing 20 Mar, 2024 @ 1:40pm 
Adding to my last post. (I continued with borrowing a 1000 crowns instead of investing them)

I have also found out that I can not persuade Lord Meran to leave the city with his mob. This is either to missing 2 inf_wulframite or having him his endgame_meran_attitude = "neutral" instead of "Positive".
swagonaswing 19 Mar, 2024 @ 11:51am 
I have been following your guides for all 3 games. Now in the shipowners route, I bump into a issue. After "I should send some money home, to help improve my fief. -> Send 500$" I only have like 240 crowns left and can't make the 1000 crown investment you suggest.

I do not know how this happened, because I followed all 3 guides to the letter. (I am only child though, because that is what you said in the guns guide, which you changed in the lords one. But I don't see how this influences this.)
MPN  [author] 22 Jan, 2024 @ 1:26am 
Sorry for the late reply.

@Setanta017 You're right. I think there were some changes in debt calculations that made my Rendower guide a few hundred crowns short. I'll replay it and update later. You just need to know that you need a total of 6000 to send home, but you don't need to send all of them at once. You can send the rest later when you start loan 5000 crowns each turn.

@DeathNote May be there's a new patch with some changes? Check a few things first:
- Did you donate 400 and 2000 crowns, respectively in the 2 donation events?
- Did you encounter the elf tourist event and did you make a public apology?
- Is 42RP before or after you talk to the Queen in the epilogue? Because you get addition +20% RP once you meet her.
Setanta017 4 Jan, 2024 @ 5:39am 
Addendum after moving a bit forward:

Considering the next few moves you propose in your Rendower path, having 5 or 6k doesn't seem to make the most immediate difference considering there is no big-ticket items to pay for, I gave the remaining 1000 on the next loan we arrange via Rendower connections.
Setanta017 4 Jan, 2024 @ 5:21am 
On the Rendower Path line, after you donate the 400 to help the poor, is that 6000 crown spend on the Estate correct, or a Typo for 5000?

I've been following the Royalist Path so far across the 3 games up to here, and I'm coming up short on the 6k here by about 800 at this point.