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Not Recommended
0.0 hrs last two weeks / 310.0 hrs on record (306.2 hrs at review time)
Posted: 28 Aug, 2020 @ 2:08am
Updated: 28 Aug, 2020 @ 2:08am

I gave the soft a real chance. I made a full game with it. Now that the game is finished I can give a real objective opinion that is not based on a couple of hours of use.

I can't recommand Visual Novel Maker. There are too many flaws and problems with it to encourage anyone to buy it (even on sale, cause it's not a question of price vs content but just quality of developping time). I'm working with a professional javascript programmer and according to them, VN Maker is the worst nightmare they've ever faced. Compared to it, RPG Maker is heaven (and that's a lot to say considering how RPG Maker could be easily improved on that side.) Doing simple things like aligning text boxes, changing the UI etc... takes way too long.

The constant 0.5 sec lag everytime you want to do something with the live viewing enabled is terrible, the recurrent crashes force you to save almost everytime you write a sentence, the fact that some basic function buttons like "going back to title screen" aren't implemented tells a lot (you can do it, but it's much more complex than it should... RPG Maker have had that button ever since RPG Maker 2000...).

What finished killing everything for me is the whole text import/export for proofreading/translation purposes. It's as bad as it can be. You write your game in english and just want to proofread it? No sweat, you simply just CAN'T export your text. You have to duplicate your whole text data (so have 2 versions with the same text) to be able to export it into csv. And even that put aside, the csv result looks terrible for anyone willing to proofread/translate a VN. It's so terrible I've allowed my proofreader to not use the base formating of VN Maker so he could see clearer in the text. He has to reorder everything, giving him more work, cause it's so awful to watch that he prefers having that extra work just to be able to work properly. And it also means that I'll have to re-implement everything line by line since it's messing up VN Maker's formatting. It's THAT bad. And it's even more infuriating that this feature was 50% of the reason I originally bought the soft...

Of course they've pushed two updates these last weeks (some supposedly meant to correct some of my concern), but the last software update was in January 2019. When you need to wait one year and a half to get an update, it tells a lot... And honestly, I don't think those corrections are enough to make it much better.

There are few good points, of course. The live preview is nice, the possibility to animate mouths and eyes separately too (and the whole voice thing is probably well-implemented too but I didn't have the budget to implement voices). I really wanted to give VN Maker a good review, but it's just not possible. It's just not good enough to be enjoyable to work on...
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Un Mec Lambda 21 Feb, 2021 @ 1:01pm 
Maybe things evolved (my submission was in August and back then, VN Maker made a huge update), but at the time I wrote that, VN Maker was just not a good enough engine (and I remind that the software hadn't been updated for 1,5 year. It shows the total lack of interest of the devs to make it any better.) It's not a question of mindset. It's a question of "what am I expecting of a software selling itself as the RPG Maker of Visual Novels" (up to the point of putting the "Maker" in the title)? The answer is: at least roughly what RPG Maker can provide but for VNs. And it fails in that regard. You maybe have less demands for such a software, but I do.

(Sorry for the triple post but Steam prevents over 1,000 caracters posts.)
Un Mec Lambda 21 Feb, 2021 @ 1:00pm 
"Being profecient in programming languages may not help", that's a shame. Cause roughly 85% of the time I needed to do something for my game that the engine didn't deliver as a built-it feature the answer always was: change it in the scripts. Which are done in javascript. So you need programming proficiency if you want to do anything more than basic "show image" "play music" etc... And, I'll say that also again, I was working with a PROFESSIONAL javascript programmer. And for them the way VN Maker is scripted is so bad it's a pain in the ass to add anything new. Even you say it: "A VNM pro can make a customized text box or choice system in less than 1 hour" Yeah well sorry, in RPG Maker and I can create that in 5 minutes.
Un Mec Lambda 21 Feb, 2021 @ 1:00pm 
In the course of the past 6 years I've produced, developped and finished 5 games. As such I have a lot of trouble wondering how I can think that I can "make a game with the press of a button". I perfectly know the investment it requires. On the contrary, I'm probably more able to give a fair opinion due to that (because unlike the majority of people making games with such softwares, I finish my games.)

The guys at Degica thought they could make "The VN RPG Maker", but no. Even basic stuff is absent. Basic "go back to title screen"? Absent. Choice box positioning relative to screen size? Absent. People are blaming RPG Maker because of its flaws, but I'll say it once again: in front of VN Maker, it shines.

Template is a problem? If you're serious about game making, you hire a UI designer. That's what I did. So no, it's not a problem. It's a problem for people wanting to make games as a hobby, not to sell them.
AlfredKamon 19 Feb, 2021 @ 2:34am 
I do agree that the proofreading functionality could be improved, but the rest of this review feels like an overreaction. It's clear that the OP was expecting a simple engine that could make a game with the press of a button. Judging by their other comments, they assumed that Ren'py required time and VNM didn't, which is clearly a bias. Game-making in general isn't simple and it always requires some investment, be it in money, time and/or effort. That being said, VNM's main issue isn't the engine itself, it's that it lacks good templates and tutorials. And being proficient in programming languages may not help, since VNM is more than a visual scripting tool than anything else. But for those who seriously want to learn how the engine works, it's a good, versatile and deep software for a relatively low price. A VNM pro can make a customized text box or choice system in less than 1 hour.
So yeah, the criticism is fair but I believe the OP started with the wrong mindset.
Xaelath 1 Dec, 2020 @ 4:10am 
I wonder how much time it'll take to at least master ren'py?
I am considering to buy VNM (I honestly don't care about price because 60 bucks doesnt mean much) but seeing some downside I am in awe.

I dont have much time either and I work alone.
This is for my essay though. So as long it's logical and passable with decent visual I am all in.
Also I am an artist and also a programmer, while my logic is least somehow okay.
I need Ren'py least to be able doing some quick User Interface modification, templates, basic VN features such as skip, quick save/load, save and load, basic options, image scaling (I am working with pixel art), and not complicated but branching routes.

If I can't master it within less than 1 month, I do be fked.
(Do note I self learn pretty quick but without any good example or media, my brain will lags alot)
I saw some decent stuff on Ren'py Youtube it seems the engine does have alot of community built in which is the exact opposite of VNM.
Un Mec Lambda 8 Nov, 2020 @ 8:54am 
Well it's common knowledge that Ren'py is the most versatile and the best (especially considering it's free.) But it requires some extra time cause it requires the game makers to know more about programmation as long as you want to do something pretty-looking. If you're willing to invest the time, it's definitely worth it (I personally didn't have it, hence why I ended up using VN Maker.) I also used TyranoBuilder back at its release. I have no idea how it was improved but it might be an interesting check too if they've worked on it since its release (and it's rather cheap even at full price.) It has better things than in VN Maker but also many things it does more awkwardly ^^' There are probably other alternatives but I only know about those two :/
Virus 7 Nov, 2020 @ 4:16pm 
Do you know of any better alternatives than VN maker?
Dimanor3 5 Oct, 2020 @ 6:01pm 
Good luck!
Un Mec Lambda 5 Oct, 2020 @ 9:30am 
Well I didn't use anything else since then. Despite all the trouble I had with it, I managed to finish my game. But if I ever need to do another VN one day, I guess I'll have to do with Ren'Py.
Dimanor3 5 Oct, 2020 @ 6:50am 
What software do you use?