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Kowalskicore 3 Apr, 2016 @ 11:42am
Weaponracks and balance
Here is the promised wall of text, The DPS numbers are from http://stat.coh2.hu/weaponlist.php

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DP-28 (guards upgrade): far DPS: ~7 | near DPS: ~17
PTRS (guards): far DPS: ~4 | near DPS: ~7

M1919 (riflemen): far DPS ~7 | near DPS: ~7
M1918 (riflemen): far DPS: ~5 | near DPS: ~15
Bazooka: far DPS: ~8 | near DPS: ~10

Bren (tommies): far DPS: ~6 | near DPS: ~6
Vickers K (sappers): far DPS: ~6 | near DPS: ~6
PIAT: far DPS: ~12 | near DPS: ~20

LMG42: far DPS: ~8 | near DPS: ~28
LMG34: far DPS: ~19 | near DPS: ~20
Panzerschreck: far DPS: ~9 | near DPS: ~15
Panzerbüchse: far DPS: ~6 | near DPS: ~9

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You get 2 DP-28s with the guards rifle upgrade for the price of 1 MG42 upgrade, which somewhat offsets the superiority of the MG42.

PTRS equipped squads are 6 man squads with all PTRS (except guards rifle), which offsets its horrible DPS somewhat.


In raw DPS, the worst pickups are the USF ones, the M1919 is terrible, the M1918 is terrible, and the bazooka is probably the worst AT weapon which isnt an AT rifle.


Again, in raw DPS the PIAT is superior to the panzerschreck, while the british LMGs appear to have the same problem the USF ones have, terrible DPS at all ranges.


The MG42 is expensive and very powerful, but all squads which can be upgraded to have an MG42 are 4 man squads, (except osttruppen*) making it easier to kill or force retreats of dual LMG42 teams using HMGs, mortars or grenades, so you dont lose your expensive LMGs.

*but no one uses osttruppen for anything other than crewing weapons.


The LMG34 is simply OP, relic nerf pls.

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Im so sorry for making you read through this wall of text and apologise for any spelling/grammar/punctionation mistakes. (but only if you read all of it.)
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SneakEye  [developer] 3 Apr, 2016 @ 1:12pm 
I read all of it ;), but I don't see your point. The MG34 is indeed OP, but also limited to one. So you agree with the new limits?
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Kowalskicore 5 Apr, 2016 @ 4:24am 
I partially agree with the new limits, but the allies weapons all being inferior is false, as they almost all have some gimmick which (kinda?) makes up for lower DPS.


DP28: you can get 2 for the price of 1 MG42.
PTRS: equips whole 6 man squads without munition cost (AT conscript, AT penals)

M1919: suppression ability
M1918: rear echelon + 2 M1918 + volley fire = superfast suppression squad
Bazooka: slightly cheaper than panzerschreck (i think) but also weaker

Bren (tommies): relic buff pls?
Vickers K (sappers): heavy engineer upgrade vickers K doesnt consume a slot
PIAT: stronger than Panzerschreck, but less range (i think)


The point is that the axis weapons arent completely superior in all cases and when they are you have to pay for it.


But if you apply the same 'higher DPS -> better' thought process to tanks, you could reasonably limit axis tanks.

Panzer IV is generally considered to be superior to T-34/76, T-34/76 is significantly cheaper than Panzer IV though.

PzKpfW IV: expensive, but a good allrounder. (MG42: expensive, but an excellent LMG)
T-34/76: cheap, more easily spammable. (DP28: cheap, spammable)


I always try to compare ostheer and soviet, as they are the original CoH2 factions and give good examples.)
Last edited by Kowalskicore; 5 Apr, 2016 @ 4:25am
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