I'm struggling a little with the Boltons, they're so irredeemably and comically evil I don't have an existing house tradition for them. It doesn't make sense to have a noble tradition built around being sadistic (flayed man).

I'm thinking the best fit tradition would be Authority, as Roose can just as well be described as Callous, Arrogant, and Vengeful for betraying Robert. Under the existing framework it makes them match the tradition set for Lannisters which feels on point.

Originally posted by Beyond Disbelief:

I'm struggling a little with the Boltons, they're so irredeemably and comically evil I don't have an existing house tradition for them. It doesn't make sense to have a noble tradition built around being sadistic (flayed man).

I'm thinking the best fit tradition would be Authority, as Roose can just as well be described as Callous, Arrogant, and Vengeful for betraying Robert. Under the existing framework it makes them match the tradition set for Lannisters which feels on point.

I think Dread can be a tradition. A house that tries to cultivate a fearsome reputation.
+ Sadistic, Arbitrary, Paranoid
- Compassionate, Forgiving

Btw, Roose is not Arrogant nor Vengeful though.

@NVA Tradition only enforces one of the 3 pillars unless it gets "contaminated" by cousins or a mother/guardian with an intersecting tradition. Roose need not match all 3. On that note though, my memory is a little fuzzy around the Young Wolf arc, could it not be argued that Roose rebelled because Robb wasn't taking his advice as a form of revenge? If he was strictly an opportunist he had no reason to flip on the winning side.

Authority/Respect is already the intimidation tradition i have in mind and comes with the associated passive bonus (including but not limited to baseline dread +20 and additional vassal contribution when they're intimidated), but I built it around Callous rather than Sadistic.

I'm with you and feel that just giving the Boltons Authority works- but making Roose maybe prioritize the Callous part over the Arrogance and Vengeance? Ramsay ofc favors the Arrogance more, so he could fit the aspect of the mod that's about how different characters can embody different parts of the house (and sort of fits with the conflict between him and his father. But I'm just spitballing and also haven't read the books in ages.

Old thread, I know, but if you are going to add a few more at some point, here are my suggestions...


Celtigar: Fortune. There have been two Celtigars who made hand of the king. Both drove the smallfolk to starvation through excessive taxation. They are also known for their treasure trove.

Velyrions: I'd go with distinction, but pride could also work. They are all about their heritage.

Darklyn: Valor. They provided more knights to the kingsguard than any other house.

Trant: Vengence, just based on their coat of arms and words. I don't even remember them from the books to be honest, but their CoA is... distinctive.

Hightower: Knowledge. Obviously.

Tarly, Manwoody, Wyl, Fowler and Blackmont have their entire identity based on guarding the passes. Valor.

Yronwood: Pride. They are the Bloodroyals after all.

Reyne (for the earlier bookmark) and Sterling ought to be pride, and Banefort vengence.

Corbray should be honour, and Grafton pride.

Finally for the north, Cassel should obviously be duty, and Umber I'd argue should be valour.

Is this still a work in progress or it is compatible with AGOT with the stuff you have already completed? Or will you make a seperate mod for AGOT?

Adding my voice to "I would love to see this implemented" :) great idea

These are the additions I've made (for the upcoming 1.13 update)

Celtigar = Fortune
Velaryon = Distinction ("The old, the true, the brave")
Darklyn = Valor
Trant = Vengeance ("So End Our Foes")

Umber = Valor
Mormont = Honor (Although Maege and Lyanna are very fierce, they seem to be the exception. Jeor and the house's traditional reputation seems to be more about honor. Jorah is obviously a blacksheep)
Cassel = Duty

Reyne = Pride
Hightower = Knowledge
Tarly = Valor ("First in Battle")
Oakheart = Honor
Yronwood = Pride

I didn't add the other houses suggested because I don't feel the evidence is quite as strong and I rather the game organically choose one instead of script out every single house.

I totally get what you mean by not entierly railroading all houses, but to expand on my reasons for a few of them...

Corbray was, IIRC, the very first Andal house that was established in Westeros. They are the arch-typical Vale/Andal house, even more so than the Arryns, although as the centuries went on the Arryns obviously overtook them in power and glory. I still think that deserves a mark of distinction.

Grafton is tough... I don't actually remember my specific reason for wanting to make them Pride. Their early history would point towards Guile, but their modern actions, most notably of course standing with the King rather than their lord during the war of the usurper, could be interpreted either as honouring their duty to their King above all else, OR as a betrayal of their liege lord, OR pure opportunistic powergrab, if they assumed the rebels didn't stand a chance. So two of three interpretations there would actually suit with Guile. Honestly they probably don't have enough of an identity to he scripted.

Sterling though... It's another case of "I don't even remember them from the books, but their CoA and words speak volumes". They have a peacock on their CoA and their words are "I have no equal" or something very similar. Pride just suits them so well.

Corbray if I add Corbray it seems Valor would be more suitable, as their house is known for producing peerless swordsman. Can you clarify the honor attribution?

I'm not actually able to find information about Sterling. Do you mean Serrett? Their house words are "I have no Rival" and do in fact have the Peacock sigil.

I've added the following on my end but will wait until the next time I have meaningful updates before uploading:

Corbray = Valor
Dayne = Valor
Westerling = Honor ("Honor, not Honors")
Serrett = Pride ("I Have no Rival")

Yeah, I meant Serrett. Don't know why I kept calling them Sterling...

My main reason for choosing Honour for Corbray is that they are a symbol of the most ancient Andal houses, so the strong hooks of loyalty from their bannermen is suitable. They have lived in, and ruled from, Heart's Home longer than any other "pure" Andal house, having established the first Andal kingdom during the period of Andal migration and conquest in Westeros. Obviously not as long as the houses who descend from the first men, but still. I think it is suitable more from a symbolic point of view than based on any particular characters from the books. Devotion could also work by the same reasoning of course, but then they wouldn't get the hooks of loyalty. I wouldn't disagree that Valour is suitable too, but again, my main reason to choose Honour is that I feel they would have those strong hooks of loyalty from their vassals based on their history.

I'm not unhappy with them being assigned Valour though, so I wont argue the point further, as I don't fundamentally disagree with that either.

I wasn't sure where to mention this but I have been compulsively manually setting traditions for AGOT on every new game ever since I started using this mod. It took so much time I eventually made a little submod that sets traditions for quite a few houses on new game start, and I thought maybe i should finally upload it so others could benefit from it too!

It's Here

Let me know if you want to update your own version instead and I'll take it down.

@Beyond Disbelief I'll join Stradit's comment here even though this thread is old, as I feel it's the appropriate place for this. I too MUCH rather railroad as many houses as possible with traditions that make sense for them even with little canon info at hands. It beats the game randomly assinging them a house tradition that makes zero sense for their canon characters or history every time.

I'll post here the full list from Stradit's submod for convinience including four I've added and some I've changed according to what I felt more fitting to lore or to diversify the traditions in general if little lore is there (I'll put both og and mine for comparison):

The North
Stark = honor
Karstark = vengeance
Cassel = duty
Umber = valor
Mormont = honor (og), vigilance (mine, 'Here we stand')
Reed = vigilance
Bolton = respect
Manderly = fortune
Glover = vigilance
Flint = devotion
Dustin = duty
Ryswell = pride
Forrester = family (mine)
Whitehill = pride (mine)

Iron Islands
Greyjoy = distinction
Goodbrother = power
Harlaw = knowledge
Blacktyde = truth
Farwynd = fortune (mine)
Botley = justice (mine)

The Riverlands
Tully = duty
Frey = guile
Blackwood = honor
Bracken = pride
Mallister = vigilance
Mooton = fortune
Darry = devotion
Vance = influence
Strong = power

The Vale
Arryn = honor
Baelish = guile
Corbray = valor
Royce = honor
Hunter = valor
Redfort = honor
Belmore = influence
Templeton = valor
Waynwood = duty
Sunderland = guile (og), vigilance (mine, we don't know much about them but seems more fitting for Sistermen)

Westerlands
Lannister = respect
Lannister of Lannisport = fortune
Reyne = pride
Westerling = honor
Serrett = pride
Clegane = respect (og), duty (mine)
Crakehall = valor
Marbrand = influence
Brax = honor
Farman = fortune
Banefort = vigilance (og), guile (mine, their sigil)
Prester = honor
Swyft = duty

The Crownlands
Targaryen = pride (og), power (mine, both work imo)
Blackfyre = pride (og), power (mine, both work imo)
Velaryon = distinction
Celtigar = fortune
Darklyn = valor
Bar Emmon = duty
Massey = influence
Rykker = vigilance
Rosby = survival
Stokeworth = fortune (og), devotion (mine, 'Proud to be faithful')
Hayford = duty

The Stormlands
Baratheon = power
Trant = vengeance
Dondarrion = valor
Swann = influence
Caron = vigilance
Tarth = valor
Estermont = family
Penrose = honor
Connington = pride
Selmy = honor

The Reach
Tyrell = influence
Hightower = knowledge
Tarly = valor
Oakheart = honor
Redwyne = fortune
Florent = pride
Peake = power
Rowan = influence
Fossoway = honor
Fossoway New Barrel = pride

Dorne
Martell = freedom (og, valor I guess by this thread), justice or joy (mine, all work imo - just trying to diversify)
Yronwood = pride
Dayne = valor
Allyrion = influence
Jordayne = knowledge (og), wisdom (mine, to diversify)
Blackmont = vengeance
Qorgyle = vigilance
Uller = vengeance
Santagar = valor (og), compassion or justice (mine, to diversify)
Toland = distinction (og), truth (mine, to diversify)

All of this are based on any little book info we have. I feel I can suggest many more houses but those feel plenty for now if you hopefully do decide to implement them eventually :)
Btw - I got respect being authority and survival being perseverance, but what are distinction and freedom corralate to?