Will this mod work with already in progress mp games

Thanks!

@Shadow Mercenary
No, they don't offer cities by themselves. They accept trades w/ cities, but I never saw AI trade or offer them to the player.

Will the AI randomly trade away their cities with impunity to other AI? I'm mostly interested in trading with other players but don't want to ruin the balance by having some AI buy out several other AI cities.

Aaaah gotcha, thanks!

For example, tho I might be mistaken in details: there are quests like "capture city X", and this city belongs to my friend - I would rather not waste my time fighting city of my direct ally, who doesn't care about it. So they can send that city to me, and I'll return it later after the quest.

@G~ You can't add cities to the trade deals in the vanilla game except for specific conditions. With this mod, you can use cities as a trade option freely.

I would say that AI still quite silly at calculating cities' value, but with this mod I could gift a useless city to other AI or trade/swap a city with my friends in online game (given that you both have this mod). So I wouldn't call this mod that necessary; more of a small QoL change.

Hey friends, would anyone care to explain to a completely new player what exactly is the benefit of this mod? I read the description but I don't quite understand what it means.

okay, awesome!

I expect it to work. Played just fine with mod with all DLCs, but didn't test for the latest faction explicitly. :)

Would test it later to confirm that, but it does work even with Cultists and their trait, so I see no problem here.

Does this work with new DLC?

Oh my god you are amazing! ^^ I don't want all those cities my ally with their puny army can't defend. :P

Uploaded fixed version!

Let me know if you encounter any problems with my mod.

@HappyHead I would update it once again in the next couple of hours. I recieved feedback in PM and would like to make this change fast. It's about tooltip.

Ty for the update! ^_^

I found the problem, will patch tomorrow.

I see, mod doesn't work now. I'll look into that.

Not working on Emperror pack. :(

@Jäger Yep, worked before last add-on, didn't have time to check it after Tempest release, but should still work.

Worked in multiplayer?

Yeah, list looks absolutely compatible friendly. In my mod I added new options to Diplomacy file and created new descriptions, that's only two edited files. Anyway I'll try to find the problem later. Thank *you* for bringing my attention. :)

Mods that I'm using with this mod and ( I at least believe ) have little to do with diplomacy in my opinion would be Increased District Levels, Turk's more faction trait points, More faction traits, Dynamic game speeds, Crixler's palette expansion and World generator full customization. These mods I am right now using with your mod and for some reason I cannot "demand" ( trade ) any cities unless I am at war with them. Also thanks for quick response.

@Marcus Aurelius Can you please mention this mods? I did my best to minimize changes in files to create my mod, so it's something unexpected. I'll look into it anyway.

Great mod. Though I noticed that the mod isn't compatibale with many other mods ( even with those that do not affect diplomacy at all which I thought was a bit weird ).

Very good mod. Especially good if you have friends in areas where you need!

Yeah, I did start a regional war with the three factions that were near me (Huge-sized 8-player map). I haven't encountered the other four factions yet, but I feel confident that I can scam them into killing each other and giving me their cities as well.

The situation in that game, which I am currently taking a break from is that I am at Peace with the Drakkens, the Broken Lords, and the Roving Clans, but all three are at war with each other at the same time. I suspect that a lot of damage had been done off-screen, since all of them had much higher scores than me, but after my indirect warmongering, their scores dropped precipitously.

@Kane Adamson

I'll look a little bit more for bots logic and numbers, but I doubt I could find perfect balance. From one point they would trade cities for mug of wine, from other - would rather die than give you a city. I did some playtests for my mod and cituations like yours were very rare, often it was caused when bot was beaten by other bot and was positive about selling his weak cities for something. But maybe I am just playing game other way and my numbers are wrong.

Also, if you are intrested in this topic, feel free to go discussion "Feedback" or create your own. :)

@Kane Adamson

From my point of view, maaaybe Amplitude locked this feature because of the dynamic pricing. (There was some code about city trading in files). As I said earlier, if you are very good friends with bot (or the opposite - it is terrified of you) and AI have need for some resourse, it would buy resource for too high price. There was easy abusable bug in Endless Space, when you can give bot all of your resources (they weren't consumables, it was more like "rent") for dust per turn. Name incredible amount of dust, like 3/4 (9/10) of his current number and AI would go for it. At second turn bot couldn't pay this contract and would brake it, giving back your resources, but all of his dust was in your empire. My guess that AI didn't understand "rent" thing and contracts like "all resources for (for example) 8000 dust per turn from 9000 my dust". 8000 rom 9000? "Price is awesome" - thought AI - "it's a deal!", untill on next turn it would be 8000 dust from 1000...

@Kane Adamson

TBH it's kinda strange, but understandable. I mean that with need and relations bots would change price for everything they have, there is numbers in xmls. But their logic isn't that easy understandable so it's hard to make prices fair. It reminds me of Fable 1 moneymaking "feature", when you can buy ~10000 of fish for small price and sell it back for incredible amount of money because there is no fish on merchant hands, so "it must be rare, derp".

I blocked cities trade for default Cultists because of their city razing skill, but you still can trade cities with immediate raze after it with custom Cultists (or other race with trait). Because my main reason for this mod was "more features" I thought that default Cultists shouldn't have this option (lore-wise), only their custom version. Maybe I'll change it and unlock city trade for everyone.

Hello, I'm playing as a custom Cultists faction on Serious difficulty, and it seems that the AI severely overvalues rare resources over its cities.

I got the Drakken and the Broken Lords so drunk that they handed over their capital cities. The Drakken even declared war on the Roving Clans as a bonus.

Later, I managed to bargain for more of their cities while all three were at war with each other. They're killing each other because I asked them nicely, and they're giving me their cities for safekeeping.

I don't know what would've happened had I not removed Weapons of the Enemy from the Cultists. Do traded cities get insta-razed had I kept Weapons of the Enemy? This might be a very hilarious way to win the game: get world leaders so drunk they let you burn down their cities and massacre their people.

definitely could make a interesting idea for economic victory if that type of victory involved "buying out" your opponents,

@bulbuloni3

No. You could trade cities only to change war to truce. It was default feature w/o restictions in the Endless Space, though.

wasnt that allready in game?

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That's such a weird real-world concept, but in a game it kinda makes sense :) Great addition tot he game.

damn man

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For comparison, how is the net value of a city calculated when being traded? Seemingly it should be one of the most valuable things on the table, so converting it to a non-city denomination would be...interesting. Guess I'm gonna subscribe just to test it out!

ohhh ok

@=AJSA= Giver of Will Yep, what @jarle-a said. In vanilla EL you can trade cities only to change your relations from war to truce. In Endless Space, you can trade cities anytime, so this restriction seemed as downgrade for me.

Now you can trade province for any reason (increasing relations at any time, for dust or resources, cities for cities or even gift them). I don't see any reason to not have option to trade your city with ally, for example.

because its a good way to create peace between empires, or you could take over a province from someone else and so expand your empire

I am new to game so can someone tell me why i would want to trade cities

what?

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Should have been in vanilla, I approve!

Why would this not be in the game? lol

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