@EviLive Maybe she's *naught* your great-great granddaughter after all?

I just had a great-great grandnaughter. Looks like it is only the great-great one with a typo.

Issues Character UI overhaul. The auto expand toggle and show unmarried toggle do not work. The auto expand is for things such as children or relations past the first row. On a side note Character UI overhaul has functionality built in for Show more traits. This works. There is not a + above the trait box you just click the trait box and it opens it in a new window.

This mod throws a massive number of errors with agot. Dunno if it's the same for vanilla. 5 years in and the error log is 22 mb and about 95% of it is from this mod.

This is basically what the error looks like, slight variations, always the same character.

[17:56:42][E][jomini_script_system.cpp:284]: Script system error!
Error: untyped trigger [ Scoped object of type 'character' is not valid (null weak (Character - 4294967295)!) ]
Script location: file: common/customizable_localization/more_family_relations.txt line: 2080 (ExtraRelationToMe)

@Brudi_Wan_Ravioli I had the same issue and all the relation names beyond close family showed up as placeholders like extra_relation_first_cousin_once_removed_female. The fix was to re-save the localization file as UTF-8 with BOM (not just plain UTF-8). CK3 requires that specific encoding or it won’t load the file properly. Once I did that (e.g. with Notepad++ or VSCode), everything showed up correctly in-game.

Hey. I have a problem. I'm playing in German, and all the names for "close" relatives are correct, but as soon as they get more distant, they only show names like "extra_relation_first_cousin_once_removed_female."

The l_german file is included; I checked again (I haven't changed anything myself). Does anyone here have a solution or a fix?

Really great mod, just wished step family was included.

Found a small typo; Great-Granddaughter-In-Law is shown as "Geat" instead of "Great"

hi,the mod is FANTASTIC! but i really interested in a compatch with the"show more traits"

hiya, thank you for your mod <3 i noticed that it is incompatible with custom title form of address is there any chance for a compatch id really love to use both of them

Best mod!

How do I translate into Portuguese?

Hello. I like your mod but it's a pity it conflict with "Show more traits".
I'm interested in a compatch.

I don't know if it was due to this mod, but I downloaded it today and now I see a catholic count betrothed to his daughter, lol. My game is mostly vanilla plus a few mods so perhaps there's an incompatibility

pls add turkish. gpt.

Doesn't seem to be fully compatible with obscuritas

I have a suggestion to improve compatibility. I maintain a character window mod as well and I noticed that the conflict is in hbox_character_relation_and_ai. If this mod had a on_game_start global variable set, like many other mods do, other mod authors could check if "MFR_is_loaded" or whatever, and load your new extra_relation_tooltip, or fallback to the EXTENDED_RELATIONS_TOOLTIP from vanilla if that variable is false. I already do this in my mod with SNAT.

Has anyone made this fully compatible with Extended Outliner? That mod does not render the new relations, saying instead "has no relations" even for siblings.

i love this mod

@rikard-andersson a first cousin once removed is the son or daughter of your first cousin, whereas a nephew/niece is the son/daughter of your sibling

I think I have a bug / issue (which I assume is from this mod). I have a screenshot but basically it comes up from the Weight of Influence event popup: "While I enjoy how willingly X does my bidding you Y, remains out of my reach" ... there's the weird "you" in that sentence. I assume it's meant to be "his liege" or something like that

Hi, thanks for the mod!
Some small typos I found:
- Great-great-grandnaughter -> Great-great-granddaughter
- Geat-granddaughter-in-law -> Great-granddaughter-in-law

What is your first cousin once removed. Isn't that nephew?

@Gilgamesh As far as I know, the basic relations are hard-coded into the game and you can't really change them. That's why this mod adds a custom line for the GUI files for the extra relations and adds them manually this way. I guess you could just change the localization file and there change the "Sister-wife" into "Sister, Wife", which would fake the separation, but it's not a perfect solution. Whatever the case, this mod doesn't change anything for sister-wives, so you would have to make your own mod.

If the dev reads this, I'm looking to try and change the relation sister-wife into Sister, Wife, etc. I just can't seem to find where the game stores when the relationship changes from sister to sister-wife. (I just hate the hyphen for some reason.)

Yes it works with AGOT

Does this work with the AGOT converstion mod?

@darthxade We shouldn't be online at all then

@Nalethyst how is it unethical to make a translation for the initial release of a small mod made by one person for a niche game? This is a rhetorical question because there is no way to argue this point without sounding like an idiot. Especially when someone actually makes a translation, the author links their translation and would likely integrate the translation into the mod if asked. There is no argument to be had and you're just triggered about AI existing. It's 2025, get over it. Clearly the author just wanted people who speak other languages to enjoy the mod without delay. If there's a problem with the translation, just say that. But you need to be weird and moralize the issue.

@DarthXade don't be dissing on chatgpt, it's helped me more then most ppl I have ever met managed to in the entire time I have been alive.

@DarthXade That can be said about almost anything today and is a reall bad argument, tbhaf.

@Mycelia ChatGPT is unfortunately not always accurate, but, even worse, requires obscene amounts of water and energy for each individual prompt. By using it to translate this, you’ve essentially reversed several thousands of dollars worth of trying to save the environment just like that. And it’s just getting worse.

@Nalethyst, what is unethical about ChatGPT, or rather the use of it like here? Also it's just a translation, not even AI created content technically, just converted text. It's better than having no options for other languages, because I don't think the author used ChatGPT in place of asking or hiring actual people, more than likely they would've if the could've.

Is RUI:Character Unnoficial compatible with this mod?

Man ChatGPT.. really? I really like your idea but please please get yourself someone who wants to translate it or use other translators who don't use AI. We all know ChatGPT is unethical at this point :/ I'd translate german for free just don't do that :(

I WAS LOOKING FOR A MOD LIKE THIS, BIG W!!

I fiddled around with a making a mod that does this, but yours implements it much better, so thank you! Some suggestions:

Eldest/youngest child
Stepchildren/parents/siblings/cousins/etc.
Maternal and paternal grandparents
Game-concept tooltips to explain the relations if you hover over them (e.g. "Your First Cousin Twice Removed is either the First Cousin of your grandparent, or the grandchild of your First Cousin", "Your Second Cousin is the grandchild of your great aunt or great uncle. Their parent is the first cousin of your parent.")
A game rule to replace the Removed terminology with stuff like Second Aunt/Uncle/Niece/Nephew [en.wiktionary.org] etc. This terminology isn't necessarily used as often but may add clarity for some people.

@carlos_moka I hadn't read it before, it's great someone has also noticed it! I neither have modding skills so I'll have to wait for the release. In the meantime as I've altered the files I'll be able to play it with the names shown properly.

it says great great grandnaughter

this mod make agot dragon in the troops tooltip gone

you sir are a god send, ive gotten so used to the micromanaging

Is this compatible with RUI? I suggest making a compatch module for RUI since RUI itself already has many compatches for many GUI mods

is it possible to label anyone beyond great great grandparent, as simply 'your ancestor' ? just for tooltip and clarity purposes

uh i have a "cousin once removed" bug to report

here before paradox steals it and puts it in base game

Incredibly nice mod, thank you for this, it really makes the game alot more insightful.

@amsalejandro27 I noticed this too and already sent him the fixes (you can check it out in the comments below) he said he'll add them when he has time, so let's be patient, i (or you could) might release a different mod with the fixes (like he did with the Chinese localization) but I'm not feeling very confident in my modding skills.

Your uncle's adoptive father's nephew's mother's sister's boyfriend's gay lover's roommate

oh lol since this is CK3 and reality combined. you should add attraction +5 modifier on third cousin

Good mod, but it spams the log files over and over