@GreenNarwals
Sure thing, unfortunatly without success, but I'm glad you find it cool at least.
The thruster method seems more suitable to this application, yes.
You have some nice workshop creations by the way, good stuff!

@bart823823 thanks for trying to solve the issue. I was hoping to use this blueprint in a vehicle built because I think it's cooler. I ended up having to use use event controllers looking at thrusters to convert wasd to actions instead, unfortunately.

@GreenNarwals
Indeed, I tested it and the problem starts to show above about 20m/s. I uncapped the wheel speed limit but it did't seam to help. It might be just the game physics working its magic, so I'm afraid it can't be easily fixed. You may try fiddling with parameters of the divice though, it might be possible to do something about it.

I found that it lost responsiveness as speed increased. Is there a way to mitigate this?

@John Murder, CEO of murder
Thanks man! Glad you like it, hope you'll find it usefull.

This is awesome

@williamweb2002
No hurry, share it when it will be ready. Aircraft without a gyro sure is complex and oh believe me I tried to make one back in the day.

oh and the Rear Omni Flaps were inspired by directional thrust systems since we cant have that in space engineers 1 without so many rotors and hinges around a big cluster of thrusters and yes i tried and thats how i know it cant be done, my god the lag when i tried to make directional thrusters!

i wish i could share the current plane project im working on but its a brutal little beast just not finished. been working on an omni directional Rear Flap Array along with wing mounted rotor controlled rutters, two top side two under the wings and with the aerodynamics mod in play this plane needs all of it since the plane is designed to fly with out gyro but does have some to assist in flying but should they get shredded then with this new WSAD system could let me and other pilots control Aero Surface Systems without convoluted control systems and a bloody cluster of programmable blocks, timers, action blocks and so many other things to make a control system for the Aero Surface Systems like the Omni Directional Rear Flap Array.

@williamweb2002
You have a noble goal sir. It fills my heart with joy knowing that people find uses for my creations.
Hopefully when SE2 comes out of early acces the size limitations won't be such an issue.
Good luck on your work.

im using these to help me control wing flaps on my planes but i have to use multiple to make then work because of the complexity of my rigs, im trying to create real fighting planes using the aerodynamics mods and many other things to create beautiful functioning planes that will operate much like real life counterparts in an almost 1:1 atleast in performance because my designs often end up bigger then the real life versions because of space engineers 1 block size limitations and the sheer complexity is difficult to reach in a small form factor

@Andrew900460 .;UbErZ;.
See? This guy get's it! Than you for that insight.

@Francis
No worry, so the hinge is kinda a critical component, it coresponds to reading the W/S inputs and supporting the mag plate.
You can place the hinge manually along with the armor panels and a mag plate (it should be doable without any wierd positioning), then you lock the mag plate to the wheel when the hinge is at 0 deg, set the limits of it to -5 and 5 (if I remember correctly) turn it off and add it to event controllers for W and S movements and it SHOULD work.

Sorry to bother, but I noticed it's not building the hinge for me when projecting. Is the hinge essential to make everything work?

@bart823823 Sadly, some people get uptight over the stupidest things.
Like yea, most people write it "WASD", everyone knows that, but nobody in their right mind points it out because it doesn't matter. But some people are more special than others I guess.

Also, I see this as a good exercise in problem solving. No brain power wasted here.
Sure there may be other ways to do this, but it's not a waste to come up with a different way.
This is how people in the engineering field gain experience.

@Myst Leissa
We all have our differences I guess.

@bart, honestly? No. I never waste brain power on reinventing the wheel...

@Zat-1-fury
Genius! And since it's modded we can remove the moving parts, so it's more stable, and make it smaller so it's more handy, and make it look like some programmable mechine, like... Oh wait.

@Myst Leissa
Oh, come on, tell me you never wanted to spend hours of your time solving a problem that was already solved (by a mod of course). That's a substance in and of itself!

@Jordan
Sure, of course. I also count using only Fibonacci numbers.
but it makes sense, doesn't it? WS-forward backward and AD-left right, not forward,left, backward,right, right?

Do you say QWERTY as QTREWY too?

I prefer the modded version, but this is a neat idea....Playing SE without mods is like playing Garry's Mod Vanilla....there's just no substance...

we now need this as a single modded block part

@SioxerNikita
That's the engineering aspect of it, isn't it? It is fun to build wacky contraptions like that to work around some limitations of the game but there are things you just can't do, but probably should, like for example binding custom keys to actions, that would be useful and wouldn't take away from the engineering aspect of the game I think.
So yeah, it is a tricky question, you need to struck that perfect balance between expanding functionality and leaving some things for players to figure out.
Like Keen did with Event Controllers (they're so cool, I love them!).

@Yinan
I have a tendency to invent words, I admit. But in my proximity WSAD was always the name for that. Maybe it's a regional thing.

@manji51
In theory it could be automated, but it would be 3 separate components - the main body, rotor head with hinge and hinge head with mag plate.
It can be done without merge blocks, just by attaching the rotor and hinge heads, but it would need to be pretty precise, cause the mechanism is very sensitive to angle deviations when the mag plate is locked (you wold need to make sure the angles are all at 0 degrees)

@Lesardah
Thanks!
"LookKeenNoMods"

@bart823823
The one point though is that if there was an "easy solution" to a lot of simple problems, it would take away from what a lot finds to be the magic of SE.

It's a tricky question.

This is an ingenious solution to a developer misstep. Nice work!

Very like "LookMumNoComputer" :)

Out of curiosity, do you think that you could automate construction if you broke it up into two pieces and dropped the subgrid part on top of the main body to make it without the player needing to place everything? Or would the addition of a merge block to the subgrid break it

That's the first time I see someone referring to WASD as WSAD...

@andersenman
Oh man, I can't even count how many times I had to do a work around some simple problem in SE. It is a shame that some obvious solutions aren't implemented.
At least building this band-aid solution was quite a bit of fun (and frustration).

@ThePhoenixKnight
It's one of those things you don't know you need until you do. Thank you.
I might make a large grid version but I don't promise anyting. It would probably require to recalibrate everyting so it might take a while to get it up and runnning.

@Marredone
He. Believe me, dark magic was involved.

@DragonSlayer
Impovise. Adapt. Overcome.
But yeah, this could be an in game feature no doubt.

@ERR0R
Thak you, did my best to make it that way.

@Mindlessmrawesome
You got that right. Thank you for the kind word as well.

OH I see how it works, A and D turn the wheel which is detectable, and W and S spin the wheel which moves the hinge which is also detectable. A little bit of a hassle to build in survival but incredibly compact, good work!

V4d4rs, ah, bollocks. Let's try again. {連結已移除}https://support.keenswh.com/spaceengineers/pc/topic/a-block-that-triggers-block-actions-from-wasd-input
Though, ultimately it doesn't really matter as the thread is long archived. More than anything else I mentioned it to demonstrate that barely anyone gives toss. I even advertised for it on reddit, but all I got was "oh you can work around this way or that way" as if it was sacrilege to raise a feature suggestion. Even created a clone in the XBOX section of the forum, thinking people limited to non-script solutions like scripts or mods would know to appreciate it. Yet still nobody (above statistical noise) cared. Everybody was just happy with deferring to band-aids that players provided for Keen's countless examples of total lack of ambition, creativitiy, elegance, diligence, consistency, and who knows what else. Some player base.

This is good. compact, and that's all that matters.

the fact that this had to be created to get around keens lack of adding something is hilarious

sorcery

Andersenman, your link got removed by steam auto-moderation. Try dropping it again broken up so it slips through.

Freakin awesome! Don't think I needed it, but I probably do.
Do you think you could make a large grid varient?

Wow, only 13 blocks and 354 PCU of a monkey device to replicate a function that Keen could have implemented and exposed into their control stations (like they did for sensing target lock) years ago if they actually cared even a lick about making an actually good game instead of just some uninspired, amorphous blob of dysfunctional tech demos they dare calling "out of early access", and if its lethargic player base with the attention span of a goldfish would actually bother to bear their numbers to vote for suggestions in the support forum (like {連結已移除}https://support.keenswh.com/spaceengineers/pc/topic/a-block-that-triggers-block-actions-from-wasd-input , hint, hint) instead of letting them silently fade into sub-fifty-vote obscurity while whining "Fix your game, Keen" in streams and on reddit; you know, the same playerbase they keep mooching off DLC money to fund their special-needs money sink named GoodAI …

@GameDork
Hoooooly! I am honestly flabbergasted, that's so cool.
Thank you and may the duck tape always be with you.

@NeonDrip
It reads the angle changes on the rotor and hinge.
Rotor is A and D (turning) and hinge is W and S (driving).

@MacGeifer
To be fair I was suprised to find out that something like this hadn't been done before (or maybe I just didn't came across it) anyway that's my take on it. Also thank you for the kind words.

what I hate about this is that it was not my own idea. I love it. great engineering dude.

does this work by reading the state of the wheel or the rotor/hinge?

The gizmo is front page! Congrats! Engineering at it's duct-tapeyest.

tapyest
tapeiest

I dunno ... just add more duct-tape!

(Why is duct-tape not a component?)

@pryde64
Well thank you.

@GameDork
I'm not really accustomed to scripts so that's my way of coping with it: making everything mechanical. I'm glad you like it.

@AeQuArTz
Optimization is the key to performance you see, in other configuration it wouln't be that compact. Answering your question: yes.

So let me get this straight, you managed to attach a wheel to a suspension with a mag block in the middle?

After I recovered from the WTF ... I did a brief experiment with this. It is well thought out and would be surprisingly functional in situations where you can't script. It shouldn't be such fun to watch, but it is. This device is pure analog joy.

awesome