Update needed ?

Missile units are still insanely strong in this mod. Like overbearingly so. couple volleys and even high armor units are getting completely wiped. Even the dark elf crossbow units shouldnt three shot a 100 armor dwarf unit

Just reading the missile unit issue, immediately my thought goes to two things, increasing reload times and swapping damage from AP to Base to make high armor units less susceptible to range. Maybe just nerf reload times on firearm units, since them being blocked by armor doesn't make much sense imo

Great mod ! Is this mod useful to OVN or mixu Legendart lord ?

Yeah in terms of making battle last longer, I think it might be better to buff durability instead of nerfing lethality, more defense instead of less offense. I mean overall defense capability, not just defense vs ranged damage.
If I'm not mistaken this is also the solution that SFO came up with (buffing unit HP)

@Shinx I had reduced ranged damage and accuracy, but it severely hampered artillery and firearms in the early game.

But I'm thinking of going for another solution: I'm going to increase the resistance of armor and shields to ranged damage. For balance and realism, I think it's better, especially when you see fully armored units being destroyed at range in the late game.

It is very common for players to bring "doomstack" army consisting of only OP ranged unit and wipe the enemy troops before they get close. Since you only nerfed melee hit chance (NOT buffing health pool or defense) to make battle longer, melee troops still take the same amount of damage in vanilla from ranged unit.
What even worse is that in vanilla, when melee unit finally gets to the ranged unit, they could easily decimate them. Since your mod nerfed melee hit chance, melee is handicapped and there's no reward for rushing and reaching the enemy ranged unit. They also gonna miss half of their attacks while trying haha.
I think this will make playing with a melee focused faction miserable, and will make people want to stack ranged troops more

Hmm, I'm trying to think about this on a basic level, did not do much testing, but imagine something like this:
Originally battles take like 5 mins to finish. Melee units take 5 mins to wipe out the enemy, magic also takes 5 mins to wipe out enemy, so does ranged.
You want to make battle last longer, hence you nerfed melee units so they take 10 mins to wipe out each other.
But then there's still lords and heroes that use magic, and they still wipe the enemy in 5 mins, so which side that brings more magic wins. To offset this you nerfed magic so it will also take 10 mins to wipe out enemy.
Now that melee and magic are on the same scale, but ranged units remain the same, so whichever side brings more ranged unit will have advantage?

I thought it nerfed ranged units, artillery, etc. too much.
Don't you agree?

May I ask the reason why you decided to leave ranged damage unchanged? Wouldn't that make ranged units OP?

Is this mod included Hecleas AI Overhaul??

I would like to ask if this mode is necessary when using SFO mode.

@hecleas

Late game Festus and his hero Asmodeus are unkillable. I had 18 units of armor piercing kossars targetting just them along with a tower, and they took maybe 5% HP bar damage before they routed my entire army within my city.

Yes I could, but I'm already very busy on another modding project :/
Sorry

Nice. I have 1 more thing, could You make magic changes as standalone mod?

@Szpieg z krainy Deszczowcow Thanks for your feedback, it was a UI bug. It's now fixed.

I have 100 on map and 100 in battles. I think mod isn't working at all, even when I have only this mod enabled

In battle you don't have a cap up to 200?

"-The total capacity of magic wind has doubled to match the long battle gameplay but also with the reduction of spell damage."
This has been removed with last update?
I get 100 limit when I start campains.

What makes them OP?
The fact that melee combat lasts longer?
I reduced health regeneration by 50% and left ranged damage as vanilla.

vampire nurgle OP // no kill no die... not fun /// del

Hi Hecleas, you must have seen the new ‘Formations’ mod on the workshop. Is it compatible with your mod, or one of its sub-versions? I must admit I don't want to part with your overhaul.
Thank you for your work.

is it just me or some lord are op in this mod

This makes Nurgle units almost impossible to kill late game. Not fun.

@Hecleas

Forgive me but I question if this is compatible with SFO overhaul. The reason I ask is because when you are using RPFM and you add your edited tables of this mod with SFO mod then you see that the tables that SFO modifies are ontop of your tables and thus should be taking priority and over-riding your changes. Am I incorrect on this? Hope all is well.

Is this mod merged together with the main overhaul mod? Or do I have to download it seperately?

@bizkit its for you wind spell spammers

compatible with longer battles ?

ooh a battlemarch enjoyer?

btw u mention, I took the liberty of reducing the attack intervals (visually) for a more dynamic aspect of the fights, does it also reduce animations for LL for instance when swinging his weapon he doesnt stand there for 5 seconds to swing again?

why the friendly fire damage increase?
I was hoping you would not touch it or at least decrease it not make it worse wtf

If/when you update can you make a version without magic and healing changes?

Imrik campaign, these skaven are devastating, they don't break, they stand toe to toe with everything ive got, there's a lot I like about this mod but it feels like my frontline are just different skins of the same units, surely swordmasters should still be cutting swathes through their lines. I'll keep an eye on things but for now I'm putting this one away. Thanks for the work!

@jose the only thing I can say about the chaos dwarf orc laborers is that they are basically better zombies, but with armor piercing. For chaff, they are very capable.

I was recently playing a campaign with orcs and a chaos dwarven army made up only of worker orcs caused a lot of problems for my higher tier units. I don't know if this mod had anything to do with it. Do units that are usually used as mass receive a buff because they are more difficult to eliminate? Has anyone had a similar experience?

This just makes every battle feel like a numbers game at this point. No strategy, just click on appropriate units and wait forever just to lose because five units surrounding a level 3 lord can't kill them for twenty minutes.

i agree with Cap N Crunch, vampires are too OP in this mod, its literally broken, its easier to fight Festus than a random strigoi with fell bats and a couple vampire heroes/necromancer

just got rekt by fell bats.. like for real??

I feel like vampires and skaven are way too OP. Vampires crumble way too slow, and skaven break way too late. Im no sure if that is intentional, but those two races seem to almost fight like slayers now.

The mod overall is amazing, but I do feel like the leadership is way overtuned and too much and the spell damage could be just a tiny fraction higher as its currently basically just a tickle

Too horrible to die - skaven Hell Pit Abomination one time luck based ability to restore 20% hp, it's nerfed to 5% as well.

I really like other changes, but this healing thing really suck.

Man you really nuked healing spells and abilities. Locus of Fecundity gives now just 2.2% heal over 11s, Fleshy abundance is around 4% total heal for 25 winds of magic.

I understand if you nerf passive regeneration but healing spells got basically deleted from the game.

@Hecleas Kudus for getting this updated so quickly. Cheers, mate.

Update:
-Rework of new spells, etc. from the DLC
-Removal of the 25% penalty on weapon damage for lords and heroes
-Return of projectile damage reduction -15% => -10%

New mechanics coming: The ground of the battle map will have an impact on speed (grass, road, mud, scrub, forest, rock, deep water, etc.)

hey, thanks for this amazing mod ! Just wondering, do you think that this mod will be compatible with tomorow update, or will i need to wait for an update of yours ?

Battles are so much more fun with this, thank you

Update:
After listening to your feedback and several tests on my side, I decided:
-Increase the morale penalty which prevents certain units from breaking at the end of the battle when there is no longer an army.
-Slightly increased ranged damage penalty
-Slightly increased the healing penalty so that it is better suited to slow combat (because heroes/lords with items heal faster than they lose hit points)

Played a lot with this mod now and it's fantastic, slows battles without breaking balance at all imo

Well done, hoping for long support with this mod!

Does this mod work well with the custom animations mod?

a lot of good changes, but i think the leadership change is too much. races with good leadership are nearly unbreakable and races with poor leadership take majority losses before breaking. that's not thematic.