Thanks for identifying, that one has been on my to-do list to investigate!

@MasterOfGrey looks like there's an incompatibility between this and Better Infamy, Treaties, and Claims. Specifically both of them touch the country ranks file.

If you want to do that *and* have migration, that's what Industry Banned is for - if you want *Extraction Economy*, you'll have to make choices.

Ah.. I mean one of the most enjoyable parts of the game is leeching population from your vassals.

Ideally you can do it in a balanced way without crashing their economy. imo the perfect blend is enough population for them to farm their arable land and extract their resources, but not enough to build industry.

I feel like their could be some tweaks made to the balance so that you can enable extraction economy to.. you know.. extract resources, wealth, and some population from their states without completely crippling them

If you enact extractive economy, the penalty will be applied... it's triggered by enacting extractive economy.
The bug was that it wasn't being *removed* when the economy was fixed...
If you have vassals who already had reasonable economies, and you're enacting extraction economy on them, you're going to want to make them close their borders first.

Hey man, this mod is great! The population movement feels much more natural, I wish this was featured in the base game

I'm unfortunately still getting the "Extractive Colonial Administration" modifier. I just unsubbed, resubbed, and started a game as Great Britain. Enacted extractive economy and the modifier popped right up. That modifier unfortunately kills me being able to use the mod since it ends up with vassal states losing way too much population and collapsing

Any idea why the fix you pushed out isn't showing up despite resubbing to the mod today?

Theoretically, yes

Would this work with realms of exether? As well as econ adjustments or private constructions fix by you?

Pushed a fix just now

I tried unsubbing/subbing and it didn't fix it, the only details that I can give you is that I went independent and had the "Extractive Colonial Administration" modifier only once until I adopted slavery banned and then it started adding it over and over along time

Try to unsub and resub, if that doesn’t fix it, check the collection description for the link and come send me details on discord. This has been really difficult to troubleshoot for some reason

I'm playing as Indonesia and I still get the "Extractive Colonial Administration" penalty being applied over 20 times

For my clarity, are you running any other mods that might affect this?
In my current game only ~half of major cultures have managed to gain a single obsession by 1890. What you're describing sounds like it's significantly more than that.

Long time fan of this mod and others you make. Great work!

Wanted to give some feedback though on one specific feature which I don't feel is working as intended. Even if its true that obsessions were super rare in vanilla, I believe obsession spawn chance is overtuned in the mod. Every culture seems to get an obsession in the first few months of every playthrough now. Even those that already have one. And thats before prestige goods come into play, which increase the chances several times.

I don't know if the base chance is just too high (given it's 8 times vanilla and used to be 40), or there's something else at play. But I personally don't feel like every single culture having 2-3 obsessions by the mid game shouldn't be the norm.
I feel it can also be having a somewhat negative effect on AI, as, while obsessions themselves aren't "bad", having many obsessions early game can make the earlier smaller economies rather unbalanced and harder to handle.

Looks like they're using create_pop from a global scope in their history files. Moving it to a pops scope fixed the issue on my end.

Yeah, my guess is something strange going on with Morgenrote's end. Probably something wrong with one of the added pop definitions they did to support their new varieties of Swiss.

There's literally nothing in this capable of touching that, so idk.
If I'm able to reproduce it I'll advise whoever about the cause tho

@MasterOfGrey looks like the latest update introduced a serious problem with Morgenrote. Specifically, the state of South Tyrol starts with 60k unemployed laborers that have an SoL of 100. This only happens with the combination of Morgenrote and the soft pop adjustments.

Mod updated:
- Fixed the error spam (error didn't mean anything anyway)
- "Extractive Colonial Administration" modifier should now be removed when appropriate
- "Legacy of Extractive Administration" modifier may be applied (and later removed) in some contexts

Yes, you can ignore it.
Also, will be pushing an update with a solution to that as soon as I can solve the other problem I'm working on too

I'm getting error spam (with only this mod here enabled):

[05:32:30][jomini_script_system.cpp:247]: Script system error!
Error: Left side and right side during comparison were of different types (left was 'state', right was 'country')
Script location: common/scripted_effects/MoG_refresh_sol_modifiers.txt:4
common/on_actions/MoG_SPA_sol_on_actions.txt:26

Well:
A) go comment on the right mod (PLP)
B) provide more information about what you're experiencing (pops from which cultures, to where, from where, how fast, with what laws on each end, migration attraction each end, etc.)

I'm only using your mods, so who do I take that up with?

Yes: https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/changelog/3336914177

Theres been a change of SOL i assume. upper strata wanting >50 SOL...

That is.... odd, but might be fixed by an update I hope to get out today/tomorrow.

Hey! Love the mods! Though I have a issue with the "MoG_SPA_sol_on_actions" causing desyncs and crashes in MP.

About the pop growth part, is there a curve shows the differ or more detailed description on it?

Maybe, idk what law mods you have running - but issues from law mods aren't my problem here.
If your laws are broken, take it up with whichever mods you have that change laws.

Yea, so that means that rate of migration did change.

@DivineEnema

Migration LAWS, the LAWS aren't touched in this mod, and those can broken all on their own

I'm confused, there's a section of your mod that talks about migration. Are you saying that section is now inaccurate?

@MasterOfGrey I think it is a bit overtuned, my literacy was around 60% and 20 SoL is extremely high for the time period. I even managed to get to around 24 and was still crippled by radicals because of SoL

Yes, this mod recently reworked expected SoL from literacy - if you have a lot of population with high literacy and lower than expected SoL then you are going to need to work out how to get them better paying jobs.

Does this mod affect radicals? I'm playing as Dai Nam and I still have 25% of my population as radicals because of lower than expected SoL, but I'm at 20.2 average SoL. I have never experienced this in vanilla

@Alaskan Bull Walrus
Yes

@DivineEnema
This mod has no impact on migration laws, other mods broken migration laws can absolutely impact this mod.

So does this make it people are more likely to move to good jobs than arable land and become peasants?

So laws don't have any affect on the amount of migration in this mod?

I don't know - laws aren't part of this mod, if you've got broken laws from somewhere that aren't doing migration controls right, that's not me.

Why are there tons of pops in the range of hundreds of thousands migrating to Arctic Canada? Migration doesn't seem to be affected by laws at all. EIC has migration controls, and the Canadian territories have migration controls and racial segregation. Meaning they are moving to areas they are unaccepted, in areas that are inhospitable during that time period, in numbers that are far from realistic. Im seeing this in the British market, it makes no sense.

Yep, the error means nothing - it's a result of a workaround that had to be done cause a vanilla thing is broken.
I'm looking into an alternative approach that won't spam the error, but at the moment the error means its working properly.

[12:04:00][jomini_script_system.cpp:247]: Script system error!
Error: Left side and right side during comparison were of different types (left was 'state', right was 'country')
Script location: common/scripted_effects/MoG_refresh_sol_modifiers.txt:4
common/on_actions/MoG_SPA_sol_on_actions.txt:26

Update V1.9
- Added a rework of Expected SOL from Literacy (feat BrokenRobot)
- Fixed vanilla job satisfaction not properly mathing job satisfaction when qualified for better jobs
- Expanded localisation to support all base game language options

Hi, grey. I use your soft pop and soft eco. I found my infrastructure level by pops is limited to 0 in a lot of province. Any of your mod modifying this?

Thank you for reporting, am trying to find out why the removal isn't working.

So, the East India Company and the Dutch East Indies both get the "Extractive Colonial Administration" modifiers, but the modifiers don't go away in the cases of them becoming free and the countries being turned into Bengal or Java.

Turmoil seems to have too much impact on education access (a fully developed country with high turmoil = 0 education access). Maybe change to mult?

This does increase it, yes.

Hi I am currently looking for a mod that increases the maximum amount of migration in a state, does this mod change it, or is it also using the minuscule 500 people as base amount like in vanilla?

Did you actually form India? It should get removed within a month of forming india