Author, can you add China's ban on opium to the group? After China banned opium, all countries in the group followed suit.

Should be ready to go for 1.9 now. Let me know if the flags are still broken.

The flags of the new "colonial company" countries are all pink, after the latest update.

Just quietly slipping in here to report that since 1.9 didn't really do much to alter this mechanic, it low-key works as it always has been. :)

Finally took the opportunity to do a brief test. It seems to be fine for me in 1.8 so I think it is safe to ignore the version warnings and use the mod.

Go ahead

Hi, can you allow me to use this mod in my mod?

It should be

Is this compatible with 1.8.*?

Probably, but the game is also a bit limited in what a power bloc is able to do (at least not without significantly more effort than I'm willing to put into this mod); I've already gotten feedback from other players (although not many Chinese ones in particular) so at this point I'm not sure what else I could or would be willing to do.

You may need help from the Chinese

Update has been pushed which makes some somewhat significant changes to the bonuses and cohesion math of the Chinese bloc. Please check the change log for the full details.

This may or may not severely interfere with existing saves.

Oh i just saw the blanket permission up above, thanks!

I am making a alternative history total conversion mod, and was wondering if i could integrate your mod into my mine. I'll give full credit of course!

大清1836和这mod开始游戏就闪退

@Carlos
作者把这个集团叫朝贡体系。集团类型是作者自己做的独立的，不是贸易/军事联盟

不知道这个集团是叫什么名字，我觉得应该叫天朝，因为1790年英国马嘎尔尼使团觐见乾隆皇帝要求通商，但是乾隆表示天朝什么都有，不需要你什么东西但是你非要搞贸易我可以卖点东西给你，我觉得这个集团应该是意识形态联盟不能是贸易或者军事联盟，东南亚各国并不非常依赖清朝的经济，有一点点吧但是并不是像英国的东印度或者荷兰的东印度.

They can leave if the leverage you have over them is below 30; not sure what else would be causing it

How comes Siam is getting kicked out basically right away? I'm pretty sure it's not leaving the bloc, it still happens when I'm the one controlling it.

the tributary system is actually a loose version of sovereign empire, and China didn't really economically benefit as the ceremonial overlord, but both side secure their legitimacy and authority through such relation.I believe it's better represented as a sovereign empire without the op ability to vassalize members, rather than a trade league. Qing intentionally isolated itself at some level, leaving Guangzhou as the only open port, named 'the Canton System', and don't actually care about the market of Nepal or Siam

still very cool design, especially the fun fact that Siam would leave the bloc very soon if player did nothing to keep him, and Vietnam is often lost due to a GP makes it a protectorate, everything on the track

Pushed an update; the bloc shattering logic has been improved to make China's bloc dissolve more seamlessly and to fix the Ottoman bloc not dissolving when they fail Tanzimat. The issue with Sovereign Empires not being able to upgrade their vassalization principles should also be fixed.

Good catch; I'll make a note to fix it.

you need to add unlocking_identity identity_sovereign_empire
in 01_UPB_power_bloc_principle_groups.txt

It seems that it has conflict with vassalization power bloc system, other power blocs can't upgrade vassalization level

That's in the base game now though?

can u have a standalone with the unrecgonized power blocs mechanic i very much liked it myself.

Mod has been updated to add a unique bloc identity and principles to China, as well as special logic to make the bloc reset/dissolve when China shatters.

Please start new saves to make sure all the new features to work properly!

Since 1.7.2 allows unrecognized majors to make their own blocs, that part of this mod has been removed and it's been re-branded to China bloc mod (since that's basically all that remains).

@Shavius After consulting with some Chinese speakers, there is now a new game rule to switch between the two names for the power bloc. They agreed that while "Cháogòng Tixì" is more conventionally used when referring to the tribute system involving international parties, they also think that "Cèfēng Tizhì" is as good a name as any + they personally liked it more.

thank you, and sorry for the issue

I literally have a playset that you can find right under the thumbnail that contains all my mods

But the short answer is no; not sure where I would even go about modding that and I already have enough on my plate as is

do you by chance have a mod that lets players join a bloc without needing leverage, me and some friends found it confusing that we all cant join a trade league

i think adding a specific modifier based on the ai strategy "preserve mandate of heaven" that reduces china's interest in any sort of subjugation of power bloc members would be a good solution, although i think it's mostly a symptom of nationalism not existing in the game and think it's weird that britain annexes every single country in its block at the earliest opportunity when that's completely ahistorical and very gamey

fwiw I think they have valid concerns; Sovereign Empire is a bit OP considering what it allows the leader to do (subjugate everyone) whilst historically China was extremely hands-off towards who was sending missions to them.

I'm working on making a unique power bloc identity pillar and principle that better reflects this dynamic.

Vietman was part of the Tributary System until around 1884-1885 so i'd say they should be apart of the Chinese power bloc

Adding new emblem pieces just to be used in the editor (i.e., they're not part of any pre-made bloc emblem designs) can be done in a non-colliding manner so I don't see the point of removing them just to put it in a separate mod

I would suggest creating a version of this mod without emblems, or vice versa, with many more of them

as a vietnamese, i can guarantee historic authencity of our participation in the tributary system

可以移除暹罗

like im subbing, to this, and then manually remove Siam and Vietnam at game start.

Please, i need to put this in... i love the idea. China needs a power block, just to balance this out. Its too powerful a country in that era, to be completely left out of those mechanics, which are a power creep. So, this needs to be there. Amazing job! Just, not Vietnam, Siam, Philippines, so on. Thats no longer balancing, thats alternative history mod at that point. Nepal, Korea, Tibet, Lanfang.. is fine. Though Nepal, is a kind of split between influence of China and British Empire.. but thats details...

yes, but it wasnt a country what was effectively an extension of China. The way powerblocks work in the game, thats basically a core you get to integrate, without having to conquer it. Just a bit of time. So basically, any territory you give to a power block, is effectively territory that Empire owns. China did not own Siam.

Siam was still sending tribute missions to China every 3 years by 1836.

Siam ? Vietnam ? u sure ? i mean... China wanted to get Vietnam, for centuries.. and Vietnam did not want China to get itself for centuries, and had many wars because of it. Siam ? i mean, u can theoretically justify Vietnam, by saying "China was obsessed with conquering Vietnam for centuries, and even though they failed every time, lets pretend they didnt.. because they still have this huge history of struggle" But Siam ? how do you justify that ? why not just give China, all of India, might as well at that point.

Cefeng Tizhi means Feudal Structure, which is mainly used to describe internal policies instead of diplomatic relation, a more suitable name for Qing's faction could be Cháogòng Tixì (Tributary System)

They get Korea, Tibet, Lanfang, Vietnam, Nepal, Sikkim, and Siam

Does China start with any members?

This is a really good idea. I prefer to play Asian nations, so it's nice to have more options. Thanks!

China won't have their bloc but otherwise yes

compatiable with save games?

I already work full-time as a software engineer writing code for flight computers but I appreciate the thoughts

Also PDX might not be perfect by any means but they have their reasons. I don't think there would have been a single "unrecognized" power with an actual sizable sphere of influence in this time period apart from China, and even then the western powers saw China as someone they could bully for lunch money. Not a very good look for a country that supposedly is leading a globally-influential coalition, which is what power blocs are meant to portray.

I just thought it'd be neat to give players this option since you could argue that a China that successfully reformed or a post-Restoration Japan should be able to exert their influence if they have the capacity to but just haven't made the international community acknowledge them yet (although at that point you should be able to push for recognition anyways).

Paradox should hire you, man!