and how about the idea of a parasite that controls dead bodies and turns them into zombies? but instead of buffs, it gets debuffs (in speed for example) and a boost to survivability

the new parasite ability is amazing But wouldn't it be more logical to make the parasite smaller? It seems like it's getting into its target (despite its large size).

@Esplight
Steam is pretty bad at actually updating mods. I'd suggest verifying files since that gets the newset of everything.

Alternatively you could unsub. Wait until it has cleared it, and then resub. But there is a chance you have other outdated mods.

I've got your mods and cant get the parasite working. (the xeno wont show up in the lists)

@MadMage
It used to line up 100%, but then Ludeon changed things several times over different versions and it takes forever to re-do all the textures so everything it 100% perfect.

That is the reason newer stuff like the centaur graphics don't try the "blend" approach.

The Vore Mod...

is there anychance we could get an ultima fabric weaver like we have for hyperweave and devilstrand? would really like a black and red based spider colony without needing forsaken knowledge to sow the plant.

So I've wanted to try these mods out for a while to make arachne and lamia Xenotypes but I can never get past the lower body attachments never lining up with the torsos. I've always thoguht it was just because I was using a body texture reskin, but it seems the textures just... don't line up at all and have always been that way.

I just wanted you to know, as a bit of feedback, I guess.

I had the same thing happen as Dust. I used the broodmother on the Revenent and my colonist won't wake and no spine dropped.

Hm. Apparently the revenent being digested and killed did not break Hypnosis... >_>

Fun fact: A broodmother in her 20s is large enough to swallow a revenant.

I really like your collection of Xenotype mods!!!

Just one question!!
Where do Broodmothers and Abominations usually appear? o:

So far i've only found skeletons of them in ruins but never a living one hahaha

@gh0stashes
The genes here are all in Genes & More. :)

This might be a silly question, but are any of these genes unique to this mod/added by this mod, or are they all found in the Genes & More pack?

i notice in a recent playthrough that if my a character with the integrate ability uses it. it creates a invisible copy with a blue name and then next time you hit a loading screen or reload there 2 of that character one with the integrated genes one with those genes still as xeno genes

I just have to say, the broodmothers are hardcore. I just had an early-game "raider base" quest with two VIPER enemies. One was a broodmother, the other a siren. Fortunately, they used an SMG and LMG from maximum range while staying behind a tree with 0 ranged skill so they had a 0.7% chance of hitting my guys peeking around walls while my main shooter had an 89% chance to hit, but... it took 82 hits to down the broodmother. I hit the left lung like 3 times, but it had about 54 HP. (Meanwhile, I actually downed the siren, and then my medic took like 6 hours to patch the 27 wounds she took to down...)

@RedMattis
fix confirmed, thx for your reply

@deadmanreaper13
Working as intended. They do have an extra heart in the spider parts. :)

@「Brainiac」
I think this was fixed quite awhile back, try getting latest (verify files is easiest) if you haven't already.

ok, are weavers meant to have two hearts? had noticed a awhile back my weaver had Harvest Heart twice in the surgery tab, but assumed it was just a glitch in the list, and today their heart got destroyed by a stray bullet, but they didnt die, their blood pumping just went down to 50%

when I adding four-arms gene options to install prosthetics disappear... other HAR xenotypes work fine

for some reason I cant install any prosthetics on my 4-arm pawns with HAR mod...

Just did some more testing, found out the framework alone will cause the crash as well @Dust

Verifying cache mentioned on one of these mods did resolve the crashing on load.

Mod is causing crashing on save loads. No errors, no messages just return to desktop when trying to load any save with this mod active. Singled it down to having just this mod and its framework and crashes on a brand new game, immediate save then load. Unsure if i can pull logs to show you without any error messages.

nmv

Hey so for some reason the size traits & genes are not working and everyone with a size trait is small, like they have a rabbit frame. Do you know why this happens?

tx

@Vendaplay
Yes, it is from my snakeman/lamia mod. A bit of an oversight in the design on my point tbh.

i can't see swallow ability where is it? do i need another mod for the swallow ability?

oh, ok, thanks

@「Brainiac」
Literally just my own mods + HAR + Vanilla Expanded Framework.

thanks for your reply. can you share your test list?

@「Brainiac」
Works when I'm testing it on my test list. I suspect there is some mod that somehow interferes, possibly by patching in a way that breaks the connection of the recipes to the base human.

I'd suggest removing mods until you find the one that makes recipe associations break.

so... when HAR is installed I can't modify my Weaver with implants/bionics?...

thats fair, i feel like i came off a lil harsh there, it looks fine. sorry if i seemed like a dick

@LambdaFan
Probably Steam Workshop hasn't updated the mods properly. It happens fairly often. I'd suggest verifying cache.

@Nattly
I don't think there is a right or wrong answer really. I deliberately went with something a bit like Sarg's Feralisks.

As far as how I personally imagine they _really_ look, then I also figure they have long legs. I just chose not to show the legs on the spire at all. :)

Sorry if I sound "special" but how do I get access to genes like litter offspring that are showcased in this mod? They're not in the xenotype creation menu when I checked.

have you ever looked at a jumping spider? those things have huge legs for their size

Aww... what's the matter with lil` nubbins? I kind of like the variety. I use Arachne Race in addition to this mod. It's like comparing a jumping spider to a black widow. They do look drastically different and it's very easy to visually distinguish the two.

@RedMattis
i def know what you mean, but the graphics for them just look so... off? like they are far longer than they should be? i think the legs on the spider just need some length added to them, perhaps with 2 segments so it goes up and down? rather than the lil nubs it has RN. i might try my own to see if i can get one to look nice

@Nattly
I can't really compete with that art. That said the blend I use is mostly because I want to stick a bit closer to the RW style.

RW doesn't have, well, legs. That means that I can't really obscure the front/sides with anything.

an awsome new addition, tho i do wish the spider bodies looked... better? maybe more like opps all bug part's spider body?

Ah, the Mimic actually does to - the discription above says so.

It looks like maybe unique body types are required to have that forcedTraitsChance field? It does make sense, considering that one reason some may design non-standard body types specifically with the idea to give them traits, not just genes.

Would you be willing to add that update to your mod? In this case I figure you could probably go with a non-value, or a 0% chance, if non-values cause an exception.

@gRaveyard
You mean HAR style extra limbs and stuff?

The spiders and 'abomination' type creatures do. The rest use standard bodies. :)

@RedMattis
Dunno, do those five races maybe have unique body types?

@gRaveyard
Seems like it is looking for `forcedTraitsChance` for some reason. I'm pretty sure that isn't a required field though for a HAR race.

Probably it is having some sort of issue with the fact that those xenotypes have a gene that toggles their def to a HAR race (if HAR is enabled).

@PHCGamer
Yeah, somehow I failed to submit the genes. It should be fixed now.

@Warachia
Yup. I've added a MayRequire to that one. I had forgotten that I had that gene present only in the Lamia mod. Thanks for informing me. :)

@RedMattis
This mod appears incompatible with Prepare Procedurally.
https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3121493365

Here's a HugsLib:
https://gist.github.com/HugsLibRecordKeeper/3d4c99e5591f72b3667c78f11ec36ab3
** Ctrl-F for [Ref 4C7EC2EE] **

The error occurs when I have one of these xenotypes among my pawns:

From Big and Small - More Xenotypes:
- Mimic
- Devilspider
- Weaver
- Broodmother
- Abomination

I'm also reporting this to Prepare Procedurally.

After looking it up and realizing workshop mods are stored locally, I looked around and noticed this mod has no GeneDefs XML. I think that explains the errors I got, but raises the question of what happened.

The few genes this mod adds seem to not be showing up in my game for some reason. (https://gist.github.com/HugsLibRecordKeeper/9b92b2ad92e1f7006b92b02ef64c578d)

Thanks for the update! Can't wait to see Genes & More get updated too.

Also looks like it tries to load BS_SnekEngulf without LoS, resulting in a red error on startup (I'm playing with LoS too so I'm fine though.)