The guns just seem bad. There's a very small increase in their damage over a wand, and they also cost energy on top of mana.

It does, there haven't been any changes with mod support to render this one obsolete.

It's just a bit unbalanced... I decided against updating the mod mainly because I'm waiting for BH's mod support to improve.

Say does this work with the full release of the game?

Noted. I'll change the black rose and the blooming rose as well then.

The plan was for the guns to have alt-functions as well but the modding support for it wasn't there.

I'm waiting for the modding API to update, but the developers of this game are focusing on story mode right now. They may have already added it in but I'm busy with other things and haven't kept myself up to date.

I might push out a quick update addressing those things though and buffing the damage the magic guns deal right now.

As much as I love it, I think the Blooming Rose is a bit overpowered, particularly as the Coral relic can easily mass copy common roses. I feel it should be a relic rather than legendary, given how much energy it can generate and the potential of having multiples. The 'no adjacent/diagonal items' restriction isn't enough to balance it alone.

Most of the guns also seem underpowered compered to the vanilla wands that can tend to match them without the energy expenditure. Giving them useful alt-functions might change that though.

dont worry about it! the mods awesome, but life happens.

update next month or so? + black rose fix, i'm just busy with other things, sorry guys!

I just doubled checked, I suggest re-installing the mod, they should appear just fine but *are* uncommon.

they shouldn't be?
I haven't removed anything with the last patch

are peach roses gone?

just noticed black roses atm, seems like they are a bit strong for a curse, maybe they should cause hp loss instead of self damage so armor can't block it

uh
this mod was named after the american hard rock band

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/guns-without-roses
Guns without roses

weird, but no different from having multiple! it is just a rare afterall xD

overriding vanilla items are not a thing just yet, but will be in the future.


there is a work-around by re-adding in a new yellow rose that DOES support new roses, but then you have the chance to have both the vanilla yellow rose and the modded yellow rose in your run, which well, things will get weird fast. sorry!

Can you do and over-right? Replacing vanilla items using same item name and secondary loading to overlay with a new item?

yea cant edit vanilla items yet

That's correct. Support for it can't be added right now with the current version of the API. Only recently did we get Alternate Use as a function, haha.


With BPH now having mod support on the LIVE branch, I'll push the balancing changes discussed down below. I still don't have a content update ready though, sorry.

I don't know if any comments have mentioned this yet, but I've noticed that the Yellow Rose from the base game (+1 spikes for every rose in its row or column) doesn't work with the roses from this mod unfortunately.

@gunkbucket sounds good

i thought it would be cool to incorperate through the flavour text too. magic doesnt really go away it just empties.. and with the arcane rose i was like; what if it got turned to stone/petrified/ect?

Petrified rose sounds cool tho!

I'll work on it later

fair, just stuff that came to my head

@Tsavorite

Out of your suggestions, I can probably add the Void Rose and a variant of the LMG, but here's a funny thing: if you have a weapon that attacks 3x or 4x, when stacking buffs it'll become unreadable what's actually happening. so I limited weapons to attacking twice (multi attacks just get really broken too.) I think there's a way to hide trigger descriptions but it's not working right now.

I also don't really want to add anything sleep related because of how broken things get really fast, so maybe they'll come back as relics in a later update.

@AKS

How does this sound?

> Weak & Slow manastones are now Rare (from uncommon)
> All Rare Manastones are reduced to 4/4. (since they are all now rare or legendary, with a total of 7 rare manastones being in the game)

- Freeze spawns in ice
- Fire spawns in magmaCore
- Poison spawns in enchantedSwamp
- Everything else spawns everywhere except for dungeon (start of a run)

I'll add these changes alongside other 2/3/4/5 manastones with restrictions next update that does spawn each level. (bur i'm going on a trip soon x.x)

that depends on the zone, you can only get the larger stones deeper in, other mana stone items that have a cap higher than one usually is bigger, or has a gimmick to it. actually, it wouls be interesting if each special manastone was obtainable only in certain zones (poison one in swamp, burn one in core, etc)

aks, you gotta also think of the fact you can get a 3/3 common manastone sometimes at the end of combat

the main thing would balancing all the stones compared to vanilla ones, like how there's an uncommon 3 cap but disallows any other manastone to connect to it

considering many of these stones also have special effects, it would make sense to either lower their cap to be 2/3 mana, or increase rarity accordingly, even if the passive bonuses only apply to wands

last one i swear lol

Prismatic Rose: (1x1, relic, multicoloured petals) add one of each of; weak, slow, burn, freeze and poison, to adjacent weapon for each rose (Flavour: a flower picked at the top of a rainbow)

also thought of a mana rose

Petrified Rose: (1x1, rare manastone, cracked stone petals) 0x0 capacity, has max capacity equal to your roses (Flavour: an arcane rose that was turned to stone and yet mana still flows within)

hm, what of a gun?

Overgrown Machine Gun: (1 energy, 2x3(box plus 1) legendary plant magic weapon, gun with vines and flowers all over it) deals 3 dmg 4x, +5 dmg per rose, to all enemies (Flavour: a strange gun that uses thorns instead of normal ammo!)

and a gray rose

Gray Rose: (6 energy, 1x2, legendary accessory, gray shaded petals) add 1 sleep to an enemy, twice per combat, reduce energy cost by .5 for each rose (this flower strains to get out of bed or do anything really)

well.. how about a dodge rose?

Void Rose: (1x3 or 1x2, legendary accessory, black petals with stars) adds one dodge per turn for every 5 roses (flavour: a rose that grew from the darknes, hiding you in a strange mist)

@Tsavorite
no need to be nervous! what's your idea

@kuban ban
No

i have an idea on another rose but as its not my mod and i dunno if your open to ideas i was nervous to mention it

hey give the minecraft mod guns withoout roses some credit!!

i dont deal much with block (my playstyle) so i cant give proper feedback on that. but the manastone adjustment sounds reasonable (despite me loving the opness lol)

if possible, i'd love to hear your feedback on each item in here so far

ah! hello AKS!

Manastones: how about limiting the weak and slow ones to 3/3, while the others get tuned down to 4/4? I'm pretty sure there's only two uncommon and the rest are rare and up

Roses: Peach roses becoming uncommon sounds reasonable, yeah

oh, and the new manastones offer a bit too much mana cap for their rarity, perhaps those should either be toned down, or have their rarity bumped up

i feel like the haste roses should at least be uncommon considering how broken stacking status can get, especially combined with the block roses

yea that makes sense. (sniper rifles are probably the only gun i like so when i checked your list i was sad i didnt see it lol)

@Tsavorite
Maybe. It would probably be legendary like the Missile Launcher though.

@Flip Liquid
Glad to hear, let me know if you have any proposed changes!

I like the items, I appreciate that they're not all too rare. It's good sprite work, I wanna see it ingame often.

will you do a mana sniper at some point? (maybe one use per combat but does insane dmg?)

oh, well when it does, maybe a 'magic pistol' that can send and (rescieve? resieve? recieve?) mana

i don't think that's possible with the current API i'm afraid, stuff like that relies on special code that can't be converted to .json's as is the case with it rn

oh! for example, firing mana across a bunch of items or weapons or what have you in the bag, in a straight line (like cr8 but for mana)

the wither rose would be the venomous rose
closest status effect to wither would be poison

as for your suggestion, i'm not sure what you mean by firing mana across a distance that has none. could you elaborate on that?

additionally, what of something like the wither rose from minecraft?