my guy's over in the steam comments section of a niche mod for a niche game arguing the legal definition of a grenade. chill out and enjoy the mod.

great mod, now I've got a use for low str, high acc and decent TU units that aren't just "scout"

I made this mod because I liked the idea of accurate higher velocity grenade launchers, essentially real life 40k bolters. Not to endlessly try to hammer information inside your skull futility hoping you would learn something, but I wasted my time by not listening to the age old advice of "don't argue with idiots". fuck off, I will not waste my time arguing with you any longer.

summary: "The State practice cited is insufficient to support a conclusion that the broad
proposition suggested by Rule 157 has become customary: examples of operational
practice are limited to a handful of instances; a significant number of the examples
do not support the Rule; and the cited practice utilizes definitions of ‘‘war crimes’’
too divergent to be considered ‘‘both extensive and virtually uniform’’."

conclusion: "The United States selected these rules from various sections of the Study, in an
attempt to review a fair cross-section of the Study and its commentary. Although
these rules obviously are of interest to the United States, this selection should not
be taken to indicate that these are the rules of greatest import to the United States"

...good god this guy is an idiot, this is an exercise in futility. the US doesn't care. it was never a consideration to cancel XM25, the goal of the XM25 was to be deadlier by accurately air bursting a shell on top or beside an enemy. it being a "war crime" to explode inside an enemy would make other weapons a war crime by direct impacting a human such as a rocket launcher, grenade launcher, 20mm rounds, and other similar weapons. go shut the fuck up, here's a source for good mesure you dipshit: https://international-review.icrc.org/sites/default/files/irrc_866_11.pdf

In 2007, the Legal Adviser for the US Department of State John B Bellinger III and the General Counsel for the US Department of Defense William J Haynes II jointly provided an initial response to the ICRC’s 2005 study on behalf of the US Government, which provided numerous objections from the US Government to the rules the ICRC proposed.[121] The joint statement focused a significant portion of its content on Rule 78 of the ICRC’s study dealing with exploding projectiles, which states: ‘The anti-personnel use of bullets which explode within the human body is prohibited.’[122] The joint statement asserted that only anti-personnel projectiles that are specifically designed to explode within the human body are illegal under customary international humanitarian law, and it asserts that all other projectiles that ‘could, under some circumstances, explode in the human body (but were not designed to do so)’ are not illegal.

In 2001, the US asserted that ‘there is no valid military requirement for a bullet designed to explode upon impact with the human body.’[119] These latter views are reflected in the 2007 joint statement of the US Department of State and the US Department of Defense discussed in the following paragraphs of this section.[120]

You're right, it's not about the weight for the 40mm, it's about it's intended use, I'll past part of the pertinant part for that but if you read through the XM25 Individual Semi-Automatic Airburst Weapon System and International Law, it lays out why the XM25 was said to breach the St Petersburg Declaration and why other weapons don't, it's a mix of intended use and poorly chosen words in the description of the weapon system.

[A] projectile that will explode on impact with the human body would be prohibited by the law of war from use for anti-personnel purposes. This remains the view of the US.[117]

Again, in the 2000 update to the legal review of an exploding projectile, the US Army reiterated this position against the legality of exploding projectiles:

[T]he considerable practice of nations during this century suggests that States accept that an exploding projectile designed exclusively for antipersonnel use would be prohibited, as there is no military purpose for it.[118]

@discoplumber you are a dumbass
https://www.bulletpicker.com/pdf/TM-43-0001-28-1994.pdf#page=600 weight is listed as 0.503 lb,
also known as 228 grams.

40mm Grenades are not under the 400 grams stipulated in the St Petersburg declaration and so it does not apply to those, this isn't hard to understand, it's not about the destructiveness of the grenade, it's about if it meets the definition described in the law.

https://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/UNSWLawJl/2013/27.html
I forgot about this until I was re-reading some stuff. There you go, breaches the St Petersburg Declaration and is a war crime.

some notes:

Seems to be slightly too expensive to field for TUs vs just bringing a rocket launcher or two

Has a bug where you have to reequip it with the right ammo in the setup screen or it will load into the battle with frag rounds, regardless of research

accuracy is a pain with this thing, even more-so than rockets

electroshock ammo is my new best friend

you dont merge it , it works for me out of the box , zero real issues, i play x division.....

sorry about not responding! are you still using frag rounds after researching aluminium explosives? if yes, then i think it's because X-division messes with the researching part and doesn't give you the upgraded aluminium/plasma/fusion rounds.

by the way the weapon doesnt have a model..... i played and installed and unistalled , my soldiers wear empty hands on ground combat

did not work for me...

I have this error msg:

MOD ERROR: Loading XML failed.
MOD ERROR: Merging XML for weapons_gc.xml from mod mods/gamerside's xm25/ failed.
MOD ERROR: There are multiple elements to update: Map
MOD ERROR: Merging XML for maps/desert/mapinfo.xml from mod mods/x-division/ failed.

just subscribe and install when launching xenonauts

Able to share how to merge the XM25 mod with Divison X?

i Can confirm even phase 1 .....good for stunning only really, and it takes 2 shots....also it dissipates too fast.....so i get no more stuning in the second turn....

wait 1 sec!!!!..... i am playing xdivision and phase 2 aliens tak 2-3 shot to drop.....most of the xnomorphs cant be dropped stunned anymore ....the frag greade is utterly useless....even phase 1.....
It only does 1 thing right for the DIVISION....
please dont nerf my game.

Make a rifle with 40mm grenade like the one in aliens!!! with AP ammo
please.... i said please

hmm, maybe a nerf is in order? Although i guess it's balanced due to the later plasma and fusion rounds not being as good damage wise compared to the plasma rifle and mag rifle, then again you have better accuracy and explosive radius... And I don't know how to make it a research-able/ purchasable weapon.

weapon is free too

this weapon is best in the game, The stun greanade launcher will stun all biological sebillians and ceasars in 1 shot.... only weapon to capture aliens.... it is also very good at 1-2 shooting of drones ... the range and accuracy is insane, and you can shoot twice per person as well...

Couple this with the MATERIAL RIFLE..... will 1-2 shoot everything.... also has 55 insane range, you must not move and shoot, just be a sniper and be crouched.

for close encounters use the FLAMER

makes me laugh....."war crimes"... when any airplane can carpet bomb with ease a football field...., and after 2 WWars and several nuclear crisis in the last century......including nowadays,

just look at the wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM25_CDTE#Deployment_to_Afghanistan

under 'Deployment to Afghanistan'

"someone pointed out they have been fielding a war crime for a couple of decades.", dude they only fielded the XM25 for 3 years. and if that reason why they canceled XM25 is true then why is the 40mm grenade launcher still in use? an arguably more destructive projectile. The argument is stupid once you realize that militaries use rocket launchers/recoil-less launcher against infantry and nobody gave a shit.

The Russian AGS-17/30, the Chinese Norinco LG5 / QLU-11, Neopup PAW-20. nobody gives a shit if they use these weapon systems. the real reason the XM25 was canned was because it wasn't practical since the 5.56/40mm combo had more ammo and every soldier could be equipped with both.

Because if it's 400 grams or less it is a an exploding bullet and if it's more than 400 grams then it's a piece of ordnance, the 25x40 grenade is less than 400 grams and is classed as a bullet and that's been a war crime since 1868. The OICW failed in the 90's but the grenade launcher worked on for a few decades. There are a couple of injuries and some expense but the US has spent much more on less and accepted more injuries in new weapons systems so you can say it's because of expense or whatever it was withdrawn but the XM25 pretty much became poison over night once someone pointed out they have been fielding a war crime for a couple of decades.

Disco, that's kind of silly. if that's true why then do armored vehicles often have autocannons? the reason they discontinued the XM25 is due to the sight being expensive and needing a heavy battery that could not supply the sight with power long enough to be worth it. And while the XM25 did work pretty well, it was found out that the explosive filler was not effective enough due to the airburst function taking up space inside the 25mm grenade. Along with that the XM25 and it's ammo is heavy and thus the rangers found out that they ran out of ammo often.

I tried to represent that in the game, if you have not researched at least alenium explosives and still have regular HE, you will realize that it is shit because the lack of explosive range and only doing the same or less damage as the ballistic assault rifle. Although it works in Xenonauts due to fights being between crashed aliens and not extended skirmishes between rangers and Afghanistan fighters.

Ah the good old war crime in gun form, true story, explosive bullets have been a war crime since the First World War, took the US a while to figure out that something that can laz a door and be set to explode just behind it can also laz a man and be set to explode behind him, so if you ever wonder what happened to this Grenade Launcher, it was quietly with drawn by the US after it was pointed out that it was, in fact, a War Crime.

This mod doesn't work and just crashes my game, even by itself

Say does this work alongside Sleepy's Gl as a Laser tier version of the GL?

Seems like there might be a bug where you have to manually load in the current gen of explosive that you have into the weapon at the soldier loadout menu. Otherwise, you spawn in the ground battle with tier 1 exposives.