"is that a deltarune referan-" no

maybe make it to where he thought lancer hunter could have been a good replacement for OG Hunter, but ultimately, nothing could truly replace hunter. bad parenting dynamic could work!
like if someone popped out a child as like a blood donor for another sick child

watcher is CHILD

Yeah, can't always have every mod interpretation fitting with the other. As much as I love to have big modpacks with many places to explore, not all of it will add up. It is what it is.

Yeah, especially with how HE and Lancer interpret NSH's character complete opposite regarding their stance to slugcats

Lancer Hunter compatibility with Hunter Expansion would be nice, but I imagine it would be difficult.

let's have a gander

YOOOOOOOOOOOO :D

Released Watcher Lancer campaign (currently public beta, expect some bugs)

Do you... think this mod adds Lancer from Deltarune?

how do i get a lancer also i have been playing deltarune since the release so i need lancer

oh i thought his story was getting changed. :P

the retconned dialogue for monk lancer is already out.

dialogue was meant for lore, but it turned a bit screwed up due to misinterpretation of dialogue
midget adults got mistaken for children
[kinda prefer the lore change, to be honest. monk lancer will probably be rewritten and retconned, thankfully]

GamerGirlA a bit of overblown drama over the misinterpretation of dialogue, that's all

wtf happened with this mod,,

i just read the custom iterator dialouge thing, and were you drunk when making the lancer monk dialouge or sum

I figured it out, you have to toggle it in jolly

well for me it has a pearlpup screen idk if its a bug or sum

what? it does?? i did not know that and never heard anything from their team.

cool how pearlcat has custom art for this mod but they dont got anything else just an art change

thanks topicular. thats all i needed to hear. its nice having 3 scugs that are clearly at v1.0. i will add them to my to play list once i return to rain world and finish some other tasks i still need to do.

i kinda want to learn level editing purely to help with this mod

okay so it was a big oopsie

[this is why we pay attention to the community before we do something like this]

Hey all, story and script writer here. I'd like to comment on the update to the Monk Lancer Five Pebbles interaction. So, the previous iteration of the dialogue is infamously regarded in the community as the 'slugpup pregnancy dialogue'. Since I haven't been nearly as immersed in the Rain World community for the past few years as I used to be, I wasn't aware of the backlash that it caused until topicular brought the issue up with me recently. It has now, of course, been changed to address the issue, but I would like to dissect the original dialogue to try and explain its intention and why such a glaring issue was overlooked.

(Cont.) To begin, the dialogue and hologram shown by FP were meant to reveal that lancers were actually an alternate stage in the slugcat lifecycle, where separation from a parent colony would cause an individual to never grow larger than a pup and instead develop the signature horn when it reaches adulthood. This is the method by which slugcats would establish new colonies elsewhere- when one colony reaches the carrying capacity of the area, newborn pups would be rejected and the ones that survived on their own would eventually find other lancers to mate with and start a new colony. This added context behind the lancers is not the issue. However, following this, FP makes a joke about ascending being a better choice for the lancer than "getting pregnant" because he doesn't want a slugcat colony starting on his territory. With the benefit of hindsight, I understand why this line was received so negatively and it's entirely my fault for not realizing how it seemed to the average player.

(Cont.) The tone of the Monk Lancer Five Pebbles dialogue in general was meant to be humorous, and the pregnancy joke the punchline, as a reference to silliness of the original Monk Lancer dialogue. There were three problems with this that I only realize now. One, I should have realized a single line of text identifying lancers as adult slugcats would not be enough to dismantle the perception of lancers as pups. The Lancer mod had had a long history to that point of being marketed as 'playable slugpups', and of course the lancers look like slugpups. While in my mind I viewed lancers as dwarf adults, I didn't consider that the community still had a very strong association between lancers and pups.

(Cont.) Problem two, the placement of Monk Lancer in the latest iteration is at the beginning of the timeline as opposed to the end like it was in the first. Due to this change, I overlooked the fact that the other lancer dialogues where FP continues to refer to lancers as pups now takes place after Monk Lancer, so it doesn't make sense for FP to realize lancers are not pups due to Monk Lancer. This made it seem like lancers were indeed pups in the canon of the mod. Finally, due to my disconnection from the Rain World community, I had forgotten just how anthropomorphized slugcats were in the eyes of the average player. This lent to the perception of lancers being less 'juvenile wild animals' and more 'children'.

(Cont.) These huge oversights combined to make the joke Five Pebbles makes about pregnancy seem as though it was directed at a child. I want to be clear that this is totally on me for not seeing that before we implemented the dialogue. Going forward, the dialogue has been updated to remove the joke, clarify the lore of lancers a little better, as well as retcon the 'dwarf adult' explanation behind the lancers, which is to say lancers are indeed intended to be slugpups now. I deeply apologize for the confusion and disgust the previous dialogue caused and I hope now it's clear how that mistake made it to release. Thank you!

@Storm0267 the art, dialog, etc is done for base three lancers but there's no huge world change (only some timeline swap) cuz there's no level editor in the team + i'd like to keep this project's scope small. it's just enough changes that tells slightly different story for each.

i swear if when the lancer gourmand comes out and i see a lancer long legs im gonna freak out

so all the dialog, and art is done? of course i mean for the survivor, monk, and hunter, also where are the main room changes assuming there are any so i can make sure to visit those areas? thank you!

lancer DELTARUNE?!?!?

Okay, the fix for that lag is pushed. (The cause was infinite timeline dupe)

i should have said that sooner

Oops, yeah, I can see. I'll push a fix soon.

there's a severe amount of lag due to dlls in lancer survivor's campaign, could you check that out?

Okay, new Lancer Monk dialogue update has been pushed.

Yeah, but because Watcher is similar to survivor in combat so I won't implement custom combat system, unlike MSC lancers.

I'm assuming your doing the watcher first both because it's just one slugcat, and the dlc is extremely large and expansive, may as well get the big story done and then work on the MSC lancer cats, right?

After two years, I have finally convinced the writer to retcon that. @Koko Thanks for the comment, you really helped. Will notify here once the new story is pushed.

I'll check on the writer about that, cuz the point of that dialog was something else but people are keep fixating on that specific word.

Nice update, did you remove the Monk Lancer slugpup pregnancy text yet

Survivor, Hunter, Monk do have custom dialogs. Watcher Lancer is taking long because the writer's working on new dialogs for its story.

will these scugs ever have there own world state or or eventual custom iterator dialog, or endings,? just curious?

Not directly, but using DMS for normal counterpart does affect Lancer. You should also use Custom Color from Remix. However, you cannot disable horn.

Can you make dms support for the lancer variants of the slugcats?

oh chill! sweet :> thanks for letting me know!

No, it uses separate save for normal and lancer variant story campaign.

Does using this overwrite current saves with that slugcat? (I don't mind if it does, but I would like to know before trying this out)