Ahh fair enough, was worth a shot xD

Not within the bounds of this mod/my ability TO mod. I'm not sure if you can change the corruption heroes put out at all...

Hey, was wondering if its possible to change the vassals favoured corruption, example, Azazel vassalised Katarin, she will still hate the corruption which your mod does counter a bit but they will still produce anti-corruption in their lords/heroes and buildings so I was wondering if it was possible to give those traits and buildings a favourable corruption or the faction in a whole, I remember seeing something like that in 2 but it was very short lived and CA removed it, so dunno if it was too hard to do or they was just lazy and couldnt be bothered implementing it into 3 fully

It should now load, apparently CA in their infinite wisdom made it to where if you have a capital in the name of a table or script file name, it freaks the fuck out.

In 6.1 patch this mod make game crush.

But for the record, you're aware that chaos already *works* the way you're asking about right? I don't know about the Demons of various factions off hand, but all the WoC already DO make their vassals immune *and* spread. That's where I spread this from.

I'll debate uploading a version where all it does is grant immunity. I'm ambivalent.

Homie... vampires don't need vampiric corruption because they *need* it. Nor do their armies. It's pure gamification based on how much or little the civilian, non undead/vampire, population is willing to cause problems for their overlords. That's it. Nothing more or less than that. That's ALL Vampiric Corruption is. Visually it's represented by what Dhar does to a landscape but they don't need to saturate an area in Dhar to travel through it without issue.

Vampires get attrition in untainted not because they actively need the corruption that dhar brings but because *everything hates them*. You might say "Well vampires would still be hated in areas not controlled by their overlord/vassal" (the effect goes both ways) and yea, true, but I can't have them only be immune to it within their vassal/overlord's domain. Not possible.

Is there a version that only gives Vassals immunity to your attrition type without them also spreading it?

On a seperate note, I would say that you only need to make vassals subjugated by Chaos immune to chaos attrition, and leave all other corruption as is: it makes sense that the Chaos gods would make vassals of their subjects immune to chaos attrition, but it does not make sense (to me) for vampires to suddenly no longer need vampiric corruption just because they are vassalised by the living, or for people vassalised by skaven to suddenly tolerate living in a nasty skaven dump. But I get that implementing all of that would be a lot more work with all the speciific combinations you'd have to work through.

There's another version that works through allies.

Is there a way you can make this work for multiplayer allies? I play coop with a friend a lot but when one of us play a corruption spreading team the other has to always move around in garrison to not take attrition, would be amazing if this could work for that too

So, after some investigating and digging in the dbs that entry is a Faction Set, not actually an effect itself, that contains Kugath and Festus which is what causes the positive sides of the plagues to hit them instead of the negatives. It also links to a whole bunch of effects, but I couldn't apply those effects through the same mechanism without just applying them forever. (IE the vassals would get the bonus to MA/MD/etc/etc/etc all the time). I'm trying to see if it's possible to add a faction to that set upon vassalization, but I kinda doubt it...

there is something with the set plague_effect_set_nurgle_positive if its help you

It might be possible, but I can't find the effect being used to set them up that way. I'm sure there is, but I'm having serious trouble finding it.

@Selonianth

is there a way to make vassals Immune to the negative effect of nurgle plagues ??

I don't see any errors when I check it in the editor, so it *should*, but feel free to let me know.

Does this still work for 6.03?

I mean, yea, I'm pretty sure I could. Probably wouldn't be that hard, just copy a line and change the targetting information and it probably would do just that. But keep in mind that even as far as the people who ACTUALLY have the functions of this mod already (minus the control donations) it's actually less.

But it's currently nearly 4:30 am, so I'll just think about it because if I do decide to do it, it won't be tonight. It'll take testing to make sure I'm tweaking the targetting right IF I decide to do it.

also, you could maybe make characters of your vassals spread like 3-5 corruption, that should help overcome most of their anti corruption stuff

oh it's from a few days ago, is that what the alliance bug thing was?

if you have ACIAS active THAT could do it, but there's little I Could do about that without causing the very problem that you give vassals 10 control to prevent. That being unfavored corruption shit while I just do not know how to code a better solution.

... It shouldn't be. This version doesn't have the Alliance effects in it. I just checked. It's purely Master to Vassal (and in the case of Vampiric giving corruption immunity to the Master if you vassalize a vampire)

I can't be sure but I think this mod is erroneously giving me stacks of +10 control for just being in an alliance or something. I keep ending up with like +20 or +30 control from "faction".

but allies/vassals might not get auto-immunity to their unique attrition

If they spread chaos undivided corruption they're PROBABLY in that group, you're more than welcome to test it though.

They have a special attrition attached to their faction, iirc it's called mists of fimir or something similar, but otherwise they're a chaos undivided race

It might work, it depends on if they are slotted into things like a form of Preferred Corruption that already exists or if they have their own corruptions.

Would this apply to factions like OVN Fimir? I figure this is just for vanilla but wanted to ask and make sure

Thanks Selonianth, you rock man !

Okay, to fix the issue of vassals sending the corruption, or untainted, upstream when they shouldn't I split the alliance changes off to a new mod, ACIAS https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3386537811

Ugh, I think I know what happened, I'm... not entirely sure how to fix it without reverting the spread via alliance change.

And on a fresh campaign, my provinces got -10 all corruption after i vassalised the fay
(it may require to load the game after vassalizing to see the bug appears)

Hi, found an issue with your mod
If you play Slaanesh (N'kari) the vassals gets the immunity of your corruption, however YOUR province gets the corruption of your vassals...

Before Omen of destruction i recall having military alliance with festus (not even vassal) and my province had +10 nurgle corruption and my troops even had poison contact effects, like if was his vassal

It would be nice to have immunity to corruption even when you have only defensive alliance. I do not like military alliance, because AI is doing stupid things.

Can you push it past 10 corruption though?

Because 10 really isn't enough, that gets overpowered easily by buildings and units.

Love your mod, I think it should have been something in the base game. If you do make an immunity only version for co-op multiplayer military alliances, please let us know here! A friend and I often play differing corruptions so we'd like immunity but don't want to interfere with each other's corruption either :)

There. It now applies the full effect to Military Allies as well as vassals, this should apply it to Co-Op partners. I *can* make it so it only conveys immunity if needed, but I think I'd make that a separate mod.

Uh... yea, probably, gimme a second.

Can you add immunity to co-op ally ?

Like in theory it's a great idea to allow Festus to claim an Empire Vassal or a Goblin Vassal that just lives in Nurgle's filth and spreads it without taking attrition from it, that's brilliant.

But in practice the empire has so many buildings and heroes and province commands that negate corruption that they start removing the Nurgle corruption.

So the vassal spreading your corruption really only lasts on Norsca at the moment.

10 is nowhere near enough, it needs to be around 40 or 50 unless the mod can script in a way to override their buildings and hero and lord traits, edicts and commandments.

@ The Viral Divinity Well see the thing is it isn't supposed to make you immune to HIS corruption it's supposed to make him immune to YOUR corruption, but the corruption output on vassals isn't high enough to overcome his corruption, so it's overpowering yours.

This is a problem with most vassals, in theory it's neat for Festus to be able to have empire vassals that don't melt in chaos corruption but in practice they build buildings that ward off and overpower the corruption.

Especially any high level city where there are buildings that put out 12+ their faction's corruption heroes and lords with corruption, other buildings with corruption, edicts and events with corruption, it would be necessary for vassals to output around 50 corruption on vassals to account for all the ways the the AI may overwhelm it.

Well yea, it's only supposed to go one way.

I could make it go both ways I guess but the description is very clear.

same thing with skarbrand

Sadly seems to not work in the case of Skaven vassalizing chaos factions through vassalization mods. Having N'kari as a vassal, my armies still take damage every turn from his corruption.

Can you make a version that puts out more corruption?
I have vassals that have buildings overpowering the corruption.

Thank you very much, one way is "simply" making the plagues not debuff chaos races in general (except Tzeentch cuz fk birds)

I would need to investigate. I don't know enough about how it determines that stuff to be sure.

Quick question, is it possible to make vassals or military allies count as nurgle for the sake of plague buffs?
CA really fkd up vassals for nurgle and Festus in this regard when even beastmen know better than to hamstring their own allies.
Not that they see them as allies and more like "kill later"

It *should* be compatible, if something doesn't work, please let me know.

Hello ! Thanks for your mod : playing Kairos, vassals are for once useful ! Is your mode compatible with Fudging vassal ? I like better your corruption immunity but since vassals are now useful fudging vassal options when a vassal conquer a city would be nice !

It should, in theory, work for anyone that isn't a brand new form of corruption. For example, at present it does not work for any mods that add Hashut corruption. It does work, or should work, for anyone who spreads undivided, khornate, slaaneshi, tzeentchy, nurglish, vampiric, or untainted... I don't think I missed one that's in the base game.