This map is terrible but lucky for you I love terrible maps that I can get free kills on. We need an all year version of this.

now I know the map is already in game but since many other map makers of lately are revamping there maps I ask if its possible to revamp the map to make it more open in the future.

If Liminal Space was a map in tf2, this would be it.

I'm sorry, this is literally bloody worse than Dustbowl. Dustbowl is like fun chokepoint spam, this one is just agonizing choke point spam.

Worst chokepoint in the entire game, how the fuck did this shit get added

Sunwatch

Firewatch
Ghostwatch
Junglewatch
Frostwatch

Ok what's next

am i the only one who thought this was a christmas reskin of watchtower

Didn't even bother to play it.

Imagine having a full team and still making the worst map since Wutville.

not a good map look like cp_steel on 2nd part (why?) the 1st part i don't understand the concept behind a lots of spots for some classes on defance to shoot without being seen , and for the engi there are some spot i can find not lot are good but meh , and the last sector the last point a nightmare to cap like people would say: vutville n°2

pls guys never bother with the workshop again

I think the best way to improve the map is just deleting the first stage.

Cómo se te ocurre hacer semejante spawn

Que mapa horrible por dios amigo

Nearly six years of the original map existing with the third remake somehow playing worse than Dustbowl and Junction? I'd say that's not only too late, but far beyond saving. As I said, Firewatch should've never gone any further than its first playtest provided it even had one to begin with.

And just to be sure that Valve picks maps based on rating, without any playtesting, I've checked the original upload on the workhop, and... It has 5 stars with over 15k votes. Almost nobody commented anything about how the map plays, only how it looks based on screenshots.

Not even the original map was good. The moment I saw the first area near BLU spawn I instantly remembered that awful chokefest that was played on community servers years ago and nobody liked it, yet somehow, someone decided to give it 3!!! different art passes...
Now it's too late for any reworks and changes. You had years of feedback from the community.

Goofy ahh map

One of the worst maps, Wutville 2

If this map is any indication of how Firewatch's quality is, then Firewatch and all the other variants afterwards should've been scrapped after the first playtest session.

I'm sorry, but this is just atrocious. Very difficult to make me think Dustbowl looks good in comparison.

This map makes Dustbowl look open

"damn junction sucks ass, i wonder if i can make an even worse map"

this map is so bad idk what it was added

how the fuck did this map get in the game. what the fuck is this first point choke lmao

Aside from that, engineer also has a lot of power on this map because it's too congested to really get any good angle on a sentry without also having to contend with the rest of red team. I wish you good luck, I don't think this map is a lost cause by any means. It's entirely possible to turn this around into a good map.

I honestly quite like a lot of the decisions with this map. It looks good, it has some interesting map geometry and the overall theme is nice. But man, oh man, this is a slaughterhouse for blu team. The first time I played it on offense, my team was somehow able to get to stage three, but between three separate phlog ubers, we still had no chance of capping. I'm sure you hear complaints about this a lot, but I think the main issue is flanks and cap rate.

Choke points suck, but a competent blu team can work past that. What they can't work past are flank routes that actively help red team disrupt their push. The last ditch effort for blu team, then, is to attempt to backcap. Unfortunately, the capture rate is at least half the rate it should be, making back caps impossible.

Worst map in the game congrats

I hate being dick . but this map is example of why Valve should add a weekly community map rotation . so we can test maps and give feedback . then the best of them get added . I don't hate the look of this map but come on . it's so one sided . every other class is less useful . only explosive classes and engineer are usable here . Phlog pyro is viable strategy here (maybe even OP). like whyyyyyyyyyy .

hope valve removes this one as fast as possible

The first point on the first stage is an absolute nightmare to play. There's only 2 ways to get to it on BLU and they're super narrow hallways that could easily be shut down. How long did you work on this map before it was released?

im sorry but like this map feels like the only thing you all have ever played is dustbowl just 12 years of 24/7 dustbowl servers

Hi, on the first section of the map, the pit near blu spawn doesn't insta-kill players with uber, instead, they just bounce around.
Just experienced that so I thought I'd let yall know (if you're not aware already)

https://twitter.com/UnusualSandwich/status/1601310019542077440

Wutville got some serious competition.

This map is WAY too enclosed and claustrophobic, especially in the first stage. Also why is there literally 2 doorways that lead to the same area?

In order for this map to work properly, it needs to be larger with more flanking routes.

It's ugly and short.

Choke me harder one more time. But in all seriousness this map is way to enclosed, an heavily favors red team on the first stage.

The map to play if you want to be a winner on red team, visually, its nice though, but red is just more likely to win...

Firewatch was so pretty for a TF2 map. I now realize, once all the excellent visual detailing is gone, this map reminds me a lot of playing on Wutville. Smissmas eyesores everywhere, and gameplay that's awful for both teams.

Thanks for the two godlike engineer killstreaks I got in one round, autobalanced to defense both times, winning on B both times.

Hope whoever did the layout doesn't give this one up, since it's now official it would be great if it got "balanced."

Did you guys actually playtest this?

This map is as well balanced as a sledgehammer.

With all due respect:
Wow! this... is garbage... you guys actually like this?

Its pretty map, but tbh it feels like Junction on fresh air, not the worst but still really chocky

this map is literal chokepoint hell

This map is visualy appealing although gameplay wise the map has many chokepoints and each stage is very small. Although this is on valves end for not playtesting it.

with all due respect, how did you make a map that's just as small, if not smaller, than cp_junction? with how disproportionate a lot of the hallways and general size are, one could guess this was someone's first mapping project.

Although, the second and third stage are good, but the first stage its pure chokepoint

Congrats for getting the map into the game but holy moly its horrible (gameplay wise, visually it looks good and i find the snowmans funny, but god damn is it a bitch to play in)

I'm sorry but whenever this is voted I leave the server. It's just not fun steamrolling or getting stuck at one of the hundreds of chokepoints. Plus why the double point system in stage 2? doesn't make sense at all.

Of note this is just for the first stage; I just booted up the map in single player and the other stages are great! I just never get the opportunity to see them in a real match.