This is really funny. I thought the "political party" myth about the Republic had died completely in like the 90s. Do or did people really believe this bunk as recently as the 2010s?

This mod still works. which is crazy cause it says it is outdated.I wish to understand why and maybe add more awsome mods claimed to being outdated

@Gnaeus Cornelius Scipio Asina - yes, it still works: many mods that are said to be "out of date" still work.

this mod works? My mod manager says it's out of date. Can anyone confirm?

But I never find the Optimates gaining any power. I can never recruit generals or new characters from that factions The Optimates should be a large opposing force to the Populares, they are the ones resisting changes put forward by the Populares. in every single game I have started, they are the laughing stock of the senate. I'm more likely to have a civil war with the non-partisans than the opposition!

And when I want a big partisan civil war like real late rome, that just doesn't fit my purpose. I'd rather having an unrealistic two party system than having a fight with the 'Viri Collegium';

May I note that the screenshot shows power share as exactly 47 vs 53.

For anyone curious, the mod still works. Also, Technocratic Archfiend - there have always been more than two factions in the games political system (it just doesn't appear that way in the screenshot because it only shows the two topmost political factions), and it makes sense to have them, because even in real Rome besides the optimates and the populares there would have been people outside of them.

Heya, so what update is the screenshot from? I'm rolling back my Rome 2 to play it, but every time, In patch 17, patch 18 and Patch 19 all have Four Parties, including the viri collegium and etc. I really want just two factions because the two non partisan parties keep gaining major dominance and my counterpart is always hugely dwarfed in power and I have no way to stop them growing in power unless I only recruit from my own party, however that doesn't stop my counterpart party never offers generals to recruit.

As long as I know, CiG campaign doesn't have family tree. Perhaps this is the solution for this mods.I will try to implement that. However I cannot promisse anything (I dont own CIG...)

Maybe add an obsolete tag, or abandoned tag to let other know it's no longer supported?

Sorry, ignore Crassus, that was a mistype.

Not to diss the new update, I always wanted family trees, but I want the classic battle of Caesar vs Pompey vs Crassus, or alternate figures taking those places. I would like a battle of Ideologies and fight for who controls the senate and dictates Rome.

Not true? I still want to play a noble family-less Optimates and Populares? Sulla fought Marius, Not Scipio Africanus and some Junia brat. I'm glad I backed up before updated, I guess I'll have to make do with The Libertini and Viri Collegium vs the Populares and a puppet Optimates.

The mod is lo longer compatible with the most recent patches and I will not update it because this mod lost much of its relevance after the new politics and ancestral updates.

Ah, now with the new update, we'd need to get rid of the family treee.

So I've been using this, what's annoying is the Libertini and Viri Collegium is dominating the political landscape. I'm the Populare stable at 52%, every character except 1 Optimate (the most decorated general no less. 2 triumphs.) is part of these minor factions. Every new character is a Libertini or Viri Collegium (or populate). Additionally the Opponent are nowhere near ready to challenge me. You can understand when I intentionally downloaded this mod to have this fascinating dichotomy play out in my internal politics, how this can be disappointing. I have no idea how to boost the amount of Optimate generals or senators, or even cheats that would allow me to increase there numbers. Every assassination just has a replacement. Any help?

could you please update this mod for the current patch?

god =w= thank you, so bloody annoying when its 4+ parties and crap (this feels more like attila's family vs non-family members) way better to get in to, even if no family tree is present

On the whole historical note of optimates vs populares, this confrontation didn`t exist at 272 BC. It was rather something that became a result of the economic inequality established after the lengthy wars that Rome pursued in the second century BC. At 272, Politics of ROme was dominated by families. However, I would be open for optimates and populares being something that is introduced at a certain imperium level.

Thank you

The TW launcher sometimes does not delete the mods that you unsubscribed. You have to unsubscribe in steam and make sure the data folder does not have the mod pack ( in this case "mod_populares_vs_optimates.pack"

If I finished a campaign with this mod and want to start another without it is there a way? I unsubscribed to the mod but it still only has those two options now.

The mod is now compatible with patch 18 (Power and Politics).

And as I said the description, the mod is compatible with almost mods, as long as they don't change politics.

@justinsane11 and Vindicator{2RB}
Unfortunately, there is no way to make this system to appear in the correct time period. However, you can start a campaign without this mod and later you can activate it and play with it. Keep in mind that you should start that campaign as the Cornelia or Julia family (Cornelia = Optimates; Julia = Populares). Don't choose the Junia family.

i will say this though, the optimates vs populares wasn't really that much of a thing until the murders of the gracchus brothers around 140 to 130 bc, it was after that but that and came to a head with ceasar vs pompeii when pompeii switched sides, however i still think in this game the fam system makes more sense because from augustus on, talking about emporers it was all about heirs which were at least adopted, as you can do in the game, and later on when it was basically just strong generals taking over that still makes sense in the fam system because most of those people will still be your generals for civil war and whatnot, so out of a 100 year stretch, this system doesn't make much sense to me

Vae Victis Compatible?

@B.Est FOE Is it possible to make this mod appear at the correct time date to make it more historical?

i would not reccomend it tho, because things get quite buggy ingame :(

@isa0005 try placing a few '@'s before this mod. DeI may overwrite some aspects of this mod. By adding @ this mod will be enabled after DeI and thus overrwites it.

long live Caesar and Marius (populares)!

This is one of the few mods that I seem to include in every playthrough of Rome 2. Thanks yet again to Boicote for making this.

Long live the Populares- the champions of the people!

on behalf of the Optimate Party, I give you gratitude for this excelent mod!

Does this mod effect Imperator Augustus?

does this change any gernerals names or anythin?

@Boicote
I have tried this, all three factions remain. I have a feeling it has to do with DeI.

@isa0005
You have to start a new campaign to have only two factions. If you load an old saved game, the Junia will be there along side with the Populares and the Optimates.

Yes? No?

Also, I'm noticing that while I have both the Populares and Optimates... house Junia is also still there... is there anyway to fix this?

UPDATED to be compaible with patch 17. Faction traits are only "positive" just like any other faction. The Optimates now have two new traits. Added new icons to the factions.

Mustlitiegel disable the mod and play the game. Most generals will be in your family after that thus making you have a high chance of civil war.

Is it just me or are there no civil wars with this mod? Didnt bother about Politics at all and conquered the whole world without a civil war.

nice mod. Just tried it and it gives a lot of flavour to the game. Im using it with a mod that makes civil wars more likely.

Thanks for the mod, really great ! It is far more realistic than the Vanilla Houses system, which is moreover broken, as the generals and statesmen of the Houses aren't even member of those Houses because they don't respect the nomen of their gens (All characters of the Julia House should have Julius as middle-name, Junius for Junia House and Cornelius for Cornelia House).

A few exceptions would be acceptable if we consider adoptions, but here in the game it's very rare to have characters with the middle-name of ypur gens in your House, and you can even end with a Cornelius in the Julia House by example...

Thanks to your mod, you get rid of all this nonsense and without being non-historical. It was moreover totally possible for Houses members to be in both the Optimates and Populares parties, like it was the case with Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Optimates) and Lucius Cornelius Cinna (Populares).

Thanks a lot !

Good idea, but why in game remove only Julia and Cornelia, while Junia still stay?

save game compadible or do i have to start over?

That's good, but in Res Pubblica history, there was a third faction. It was "equites". No many modern historian consider as a faction, but as a "class". It'd be true, but someone consider its a sort of "centre" that it move to support populares (left) and optimanes (right) to convinience. In conclusion, the same thing that happen today in the modern political scheme.

Yes! Great idea.

Please update for DeI. I really like your mod.

could you make a version for DeI? when I use this with DeI it renames 2 of the houses and gives them loads of senate support but the other 2 factions are still in the game.

Great thanks !

The mod is now updated!