Wish it also moved hawk riders to cavalry building, like it did in vanilla original animals for wood elves mod. Core unit for sisters of twilight after all. Rn they just vanish, from the pool, lest original building built before mods are turned on. Or just not move them at all and include in the animals building chain. And maybe additional garrison/stats, like sfo building chain did before that. Thank you for submod nontheless, king!

Most of the units are way too overpowered. Especially regenerating raid boss white wolves. Really not fun playing against. too much ward save, too much phyiscal resist, too much missile resist

Thanks, I played wood elves in SFO and have to say that sea dragon is OP. Flying, tanky killing machine.

Thank you for bringing this mod into SFO

@HashutChampion Seems like wolves start in first tier of animal building and not boards and stags

Hey is there a reason the wolves, boars, and tigers don't get the Protectors of the Wood SFO skill?

@Chuckawookie I already make them except the Waystalker

Thanks a lot for the submod I really appreciate you. Any chance you could do a submod for Calm's heroes also?

Thanks for your wonderful mod! I would like to present my mod compilation that includes your mod for others to enjoy!

ENHANCED CAMPAIGN EXPERIENCE COLLECTION:
https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/workshop/filedetails/?id=1527477447

Sir can you update this? This is the cherry on top for woodelf lovers <3

Thank you for making these! Compatibility modders are so underappreciated, you guys make so many combos possible :)

awesome, thanks for spoiling us so much!

@Destroyosaur I will doing those aswell

would it be possible to get submods for the other mods that are designed to go with the animal mod?

@Starlet yes I did nerf -10% upkeep to -5% at Max Level of Building as Twitch Streamer and SFO Submodder I do my Job I will not give up even in TWWH3 will be released

Thanks!

I checked the upkeep reduction in the current version and it's at -2.5%, not -10%.

@Crimson Bolt Well we had been asking for a rebalance for long, not for an update xd

@chosen of Slaanesh

it was working just fine...not every mod requires an update to keep working...best to test or at least ask if it works instead of just screaming for an update.

Thanks for the superb mod!

If you are interested in balance feedback, I can suggest to nerf upkeep reduction on the Forbidden lake, from -10% upkeep reduction to -2.5%. Or even to remove it. I'm getting 0 upkeep for all my armies by spamming Forbidden lakes in all possible settlements (11 settlements).

really need an update plz, these animals are awesome! can not wait even one more day to play these

update？

Hey man!

Just wanted to say that there is new "free" DLC that ruins your awesome mod

Would love to see it updated! Take care, you are AWESOME!

Hey sorry to bother you, but recently the maker of the original mod released a patch that adds the units to Avelorn's roster. From what I've heard while the units are still balanced by this mod, there's no way to increase the SFO unit cap on them.

As said, really nice mod but needs a balance pass:p

@Cosmic U need to compare this units with White lions and noscans hounds. Saying that a large unit without armor loses to a dedicated anti large makes no sense. Wood elve infantry is probably the strongest infantry of all in SFO. Not buying it sry :p

The balancing didn't seem too bad to me. I've just tested a few combinations including the boars and the giant boars. Yes the normal ones have 17k hp but it's not much when you consider basic eternal guard for wood elves also have 11k hp in SFO, are 450 gold cheaper and still win in a 1v1 against them.

I think what you have to consider more, is that using this gives the wood elves a fast 'cavalry' option that isn't just shock cavalry.

@joshallen336 the hell u talking about hahahaha we all complaining that they r op and u claiming that they r worse than the basic units hahahahhaha

none of the animals are worth using currently...they are just worse than the normal roster

Have to be careful because most SFO unit compatible submods are not that very in par with SFO unit stats. Anyone tried this wonderful mod and have confirm that most of these units are somewhat in par with SFO standard? Thank you!

Another balancing feedback:

The 10% factionwide upkeep cost reduction (that this submod seems to add) per level 5 animal building, is absolutely not needed, IMHO.

These units are indeed very OP, why do all of them have from 10 to 20% ward save for example? And the boars somehow have 17k hp....

Im anxious to include this mod and the main into my collection https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2367589692 BUT the units were a bit too OP to include as of a few days ago.. I would love if it was more in line with the rest of sfo.

Hows the balancing going?

Yeah I agree. The lions of Chrace r worse than the wild cats and that is kinda weird dont u think?

Most of these units seems too strong, espacially the lower tiers. Both attack and defense seems to good. Ty for the submod tho :)

Hey me again =) Would u pls update this mod to make it work with the Averlorn submod? Just animal capacity increasing would do it for Averlorn

Hey man first of all thx for this amazing submod. Second, would u consider doing an sfo submod for this 1 aswell please? Thx

https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1273779357&searchtext=wood+elves

My particular graphics card doesn't like this mod. The game crashes upon booting up when this mod is loaded. Nvidia 1050

Awesome! Thanks a lot. Yes I was implying exactly that! @HashutChampion

@|Pipe Dreams ☕ #BASED yes it does if you talking about Tomb King style army cap to all factions

Does this also include Unit Caps for the Faction Wide/Army Caps system of SFO?

Thanks

thx!

I'm inclined to agree with Kadatherion. Animal swarms being low maintenance chaff units for the wood elves feels better. Boars are fine as a war dog stand in, but something like the pegasai and griffons might feel better as a cheaper / weaker version of the hippogryph / pegasai knights of Bretonnia.

I agree with Kadatherion about the balance.

i've tried them now in a costum battle. the wild cats are way too strong. they killing the vampire black knights easly, but the cats are 100gold cheaper than the knights. then i fought against chaos inspired champions. the cats made ~45hp % damage to them. the cats cost 800gold, the chaos champions 2000. if i had two cat units, they had won against the champions.

for sfo i need this mod + this vanila mod at the same time?

Yep, I'm sorry, I'd be very interested in playing with this as well, but I agree the balance is quite ludicrous all across the board. Not just here in the SFO adaptation, but probably a bit in the original as well.

My suggestion would be to go the opposite way you seem to be going here anyway: make the animals weaker than their same tier counterparts, but with higher caps and/or extremely lower upkeep. The rationale is there's no reason why a "knight" on a stag shouldn't be much stronger and better at fighting than the wild stag alone (why should the wild animals be on par with if not even more "elite" than those specifically bred and ridden specifically for war?), but on the other hand the wild animal packs, as they need no training, no housing, almost nothing really, can cost very little maintenance. Basically, balance these units for being cheap fodder than can be used for swarm tactics in battle, or light patrols on the campaign map.

I appreciate the effort of this mod but I DO agree with everyone else.. As it is now, this mod is wildly OP/Broken/ Unbalanced.

@HashutChampion
Changing wolves to wild riders in my example doesn't really change what I was saying and ignores my first example but okay. It's more balanced than it was at the beginning at least and seems like its as good as it's going to get, so I'll stop asking about it.