(Other one first.)

What if Courtesy were a 2-rank perk with the first being 10% with Nords, and the second being an additional 5% with Nords plus 10% with everyone (totaling 25% total for Nords and 10% with non-Nords)? It would still be required to think about who you're trading with while also being useful with everyone. Also, it get's close to the original possible 30% boost, but since it's only 2 perks instead of 5, that 25% is only applicable if you're trading correctly; otherwise, it's only a 10% boost. Just an idea.

Alright, I can see what you mean regarding Master Trader. It does get a bit redundant. I'd say the only thing in favor of Master Trader, with that in mind, is that you don't have to invest. But at the same time, by the time you get to use any of those three, investing isn't that difficult. So, yeah, Investor and Merchant really do make Master Trader less than effective.

As far as Haggling vs Courtesy, I very much like the idea that Courtesy and Allure help to make it important to think about whom you're selling to. What I dislike about having Courtesy is just that it replaces Haggling, and Haggling allowed for a larger benefit. I don't like, however, that Haggling takes 5 perks to get 30%. Multiple ranks seems fine for it, to me. But 5 seems a bit over the top.

(Follow-up next. Ran out of room.)

Thanks, always interested in what people think and why!

I think Master Trader isn't that great because it requires Investor and Merchant which all do similar things, I just can't see myself having trouble selling things with those perks.

Do you prefer Haggling because it allows you to spend more perks into getting more money or because you do not have to pay attention to who you sell to or because it is simply the better perk in your opinion?

Because if it isn't the first reason it was intentional, I do think Allure and Courtesy are in line with the vanilla balance but avoiding baseline increases in prices was intentional to make perks that affect gameplay in more direct and meaningful ways.

Just trying to give some constructive feedback.

To start, I like that fact that you lowered the requirements for the convincing type perks. You're absolutely right that they are completely useless at their vanilla settings.

I don't like, however, that you removed Haggling. I also don't really understand the opinion that Master Trader is a useless perk. At all. If I could every manage to get to it, it would be among the most useful perks. However, you didn't remove its initial effect, only added to it. So, that's not actually a complaint, just an opinion of mine.

Overall, seems like a great mod and I'll definitely use it. To be honest, though, I'll probably replace Courtesy with Haggling. It trades a 10% boost (with potential for increase) with everyone for 15% boost with specific people (and no potential for increase).

the fact that I don't need 70 speech for intimidate is a good chance I'll install this

Thank you,just what i was looking for.