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Description
No More Meta Scaling

The mod removes means to infinitely gain Power, money, MaxHp, Hp etc. during the combat.

Primary aim of the mod is to make a subset of optimal but very tedious plays impossible.
Secondary aim is do this by effecting the original vanilla experience as little as possible.

The plays in question in order of importance:
1. Indefinite healing/Power once the fight is stabilized. Certain card combinations or even singular cards (Call On Friends) enable this. This usually allows some weaker decks to slog though mid Act 2 or early Act 3.
1. Using Hp/Power as aggressive setup resource. If healing is indefinite once fight is stable, it doesn't matter how much non-lethal damage was taken.
1. Disable non-infinite but still tedious stall for copying, namely The Reclusive Sage. Other sources of copying or echoing I consider to be ok. Example, decked LiP copying decked Sweet Potato would result in 27 hp healed at the end of the combat.
1. Technical auto-win by drafting general card discovery (BB, Trace On) early on and gaining unlimited money and MaxHp.

Hence, not all reasons to stall fight were removed and some of them were deliberately left in. But hopefully, this mod should eliminate majority of the situations where stalling for 30+ would technically make sense. Maybe it could even become a standard for "serious and competitive" win streaking.

Ruleset
The mod applies sweeping ban to specific actions generating corresponding meta-resources. The ban is card-centric and propagating from the most problematic of cards - the cards added in combat.

Banned Card: a card which cancels actions providing meta resources which originate from it. -I.e., a banned Lucky Break wouldn't give money but would still give Amulet. When a card performs actions providing meta resources it becomes banned unless it's a Teammate being summoned. -This is to prevent infinite Exile bounces or Copy sources without Exile or safety clauses. -Remi bites are exempt. -Dubious Tea Party is exempt. Maybe it's technically possible to use it for indefinite healing but it's very difficult to do so (could be possible vs Sanae). Card generated by another Card is considered banned. -Status Effects added by cards (i.e. Abilities) are considered as a Card for the rule above. -Meaning copies by Fake Moon would always be banned as Fake Moon is always banned itself. -Status Effects added by cards has the same ban state as the card adding it. -SEs which provide meta resources are split into different stacks according to their legality. -In vanilla, that's only Immortal Flame and Sweet Sweet Potato. -Optionally, cards generated by decked cards for the first time in combat are exempt. -I.e., Sweet Potato generated by Grimoire Study would provide hp. But if the same Grimoire Study was bounced from exile and recast the generated cards would be illegal. -If the real Grimoire Study was copied or double played the exemption would not be valid as it only applies to real/decked card generation sources. -For generation sources which do not exile themselves, like Trace On, only first set of generated cards can provide resources while the following ones do not. -False Moon is an exception. -Cards generated by natural Echo effect are exempt. -Cards which gain Echo obey Copy rules. -Copies are considered generated cards and thus banned unless BanLevel option is 'RealCopiesAllowed' (default). -With the option, Copies are legal unless copy target and/or copy source is banned. -I.e., copies Lucky Break from the deck copied by LiP which is also from the deck would provide money. -Cards performing the copying are their first use. -Cards played twice are essentially card copies which are played immediately thus they abide Copy rules. -Exception: cards played by Doppelganger are always banned. -Marisa's Mushroom Specialist heal token is an exception if the card generating is legal.

Other changes
The mod removes P, money and point drops after certain number of enemies have been summoned.`For Rin it's 21, 9 for Kokoro and 3 for Clownpiece`

Gensokyo Chronicle proc time have been limited to 7 per combat.

Mod compatibility

Since ban is made to be generic the mod will very likely work on modded cards as well, provided they follow at least somewhat sane conventions.
There's an API in the works for modders to add inclusions/exceptions to bannable entities.
It's defined in 'NoMetaScalinAPI'[github.com] and meant to be used as a conditional dependency similar to Watermark[github.com].


Source code: github[github.com].

Change log

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'1.2.4' Prevent 'real' Expel cards and Blossoming Fantasy Seal from banning themselves after being played. This enables capitalizing on bounce-backs from exile.

'1.2.3' Fix defrogged cards being banned.

'1.2.2' Fix issue with Positive News giving P only once per fight. Add optional config toggle to increase number of Clownpiece summons which will drop resources.

'1.2.1' Update for LBoL 1.7.0. Fix some generated misfortunes not providing meta resources.

'1.2.0' Update for LBoL 1.6.1 beta.

'1.1.9' Fix Meiling teammate not providing hp in certain circumstances.

'1.1.8' Fix cards copied by False Moons providing resources in certain cases.

'1.1.7' Fix Spirits not providing meta resources in rare cases.

'1.1.6' Exempt Dubious Tea Party.

'1.1.5' Add a small safeguard.

'1.1.3' Add exceptions to certain Misfortunes.

'1.1.1' Add False Moon exception.

'1.1.0' Add optional ban exemption to cards generated by decked cards for the first time in combat. On by default.

'1.0.2' Fix summons dropping loot (if they shouldn't) when the summoner is killed first. Limit Reimu orb healing.

'1.0.0' Make after use ban way more selective, hard ban Echo Form, adjust ban rules for auto-play.

'0.9.2' Update for LBoL 1.6.0 beta. Not compatible with previous versions. Prevent All-Points Bulletin from scaling indefinitely.

'0.9.0' Exempt Remi bites, add persistent banning toggle to the API.

'0.8.1' Add Mushroom Specialist exception. Thanks again, cyaneko.

'0.8.0' Major ban rules overhaul. Thanks, cyaneko.

'0.5.1' Minor fix for nasty bug.

'0.5.0' Initial release.
4 Comments
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Seven ate you 5 Oct @ 6:06am 
I guess if banning the cards from the draft is too hard, then I can understand.
Although restricting Gensokyo Chronicle to 7 seems very harsh, even more so when mummy hand is unlimited in StS. I've legit had decks with more then 7 abilities in both games. You should, at the minimum, considering increasing the number to 10 or more.

Although the ban the cards from the draft solution would be better then nerfing the cards from the draft. So the player doesn't have to get drafted from cards that have half their effects no longer working. As regardless you are effecting the same quantity of cards.

I would be interested in a mod that does that alone.
neo  [author] 5 Oct @ 1:45am 
Despite the multi-tier ruleset this mod doesn't seem to do much and it's kinda the point. 95% of the time you'd be playing the run normally but random Breaking Boundaries draft won't turn the optimal gameplay into stalling for 9999 gold.

Sts approach would be even more restrictive, imo. Plenty of cards or their upgraded variants give just a little bit of persistent resources so they'd have to go on a ban list. Also when it comes to generating cards choice of "Do I take a better card for current combat or greed for resources" would be removed.
(Also ban approach is so different from code perspective that it might as well be another mod)

Blossoming Seal works normally, I forgor to update the description, thanks.
Seven ate you 4 Oct @ 6:34pm 
If you care at all about my opinion, I'd

- Make cards that generate other cards not make HP/Gold/Max HP generating cards at all

- Above suggestion includes Call On Friends (added this as another suggestion since you included it seperately)

- Uncap gensokyo chronicle healing

- Remove the restriction on Blossoming Fantasy Seal

But until then, I probably won't be using this mod.
Seven ate you 4 Oct @ 6:32pm 
I like the idea of this mod, but I feel like it's a bit strict. I liked how slay the spire handled everything.

Things like trace on and BB shouldn't, in any case, give you something that gives you gold, healing or max HP. This is similar to how StS does it.

Something like gensokyo chronicle giving you 2 hp after every ability should be allowed. As it requires you to have a deck that can play a bunch of powers, which effectively requires you to have a deck that fits the exhibit. This is also similar to how StS does it.

It also seems really bias that you chose to allow the bites to heal infinitely but not Blossoming Seal. I think both healing should be allowed, as it's typically hard to pull off and not so often you're allowed to pull off, and healing to max HP isn't exactly game breaking. StS doesn't have a non-exile non-bite source of healing, but it does have strength + reaper, which can heal you to full much more consistently.