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Individualism and Collectivism Slavery Tweak
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Individualism and Collectivism Slavery Tweak

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This does absolutely nothing except make it so the various slavery precepts have nothing to do with individualism and collectivism. This is due to a personal pet peeve, and if the mechanics are all that you're interested in, there is no need to read further.

Otherwise, I apologize in advance...

It's About Equality, Dummy!

There is a reason that Stellaris abandoned the individualism/collectivism dichotomy, and it's because it makes no sense. Why is individualism associated with anti-slavery? Can individuals not own slaves? Are raiders not the ultimate individualists? Why are collectives inherently pro-slavery? Are there not anti-slavery collectives based on free association?

Individualism and collectivism are purely stylistic choices - when your company cuts your wages, increases your work hours, and lays you off, they use collectivist language ("It's for the good of the company!"). When you ask the government (controlled by a consortium that includes your company) for help with your healthcare, you get individualistic excuses ("Pull yourself up by your bootstraps, commie!"). Collectivism when they need you, rugged individualism when you need them.

The actual difference you're looking for is egalitarianism vs. authoritarianism. Egalitarians believe everyone has equal rights and equal say, and have an inherent faith in democracy. These are your socdems, anarchists, socialists, left libertarians, etc.

Authoritarians believe that not every life is equal, and some people should rule over others, and they detest democracy. These are your fashies, monarchists, theocrats, plutocrats etc.

In the middle you have people who believe in some equality and some hierarchy, with varying levels of democracy. These are your "classical" liberals, right libertarians, etc.

Individualism is almost entirely a cultural thing. This is why you have people both proclaiming to be individualists and patriots, two things that ought to be oxymoronic. The actual difference is between the egalitarians who respect individual rights and detest slavery in all forms, and the authoritarians who don't respect individual rights and are cool with slavery.

I'm not saying there's absolutely no role for individualism and collectivism in Rimworld, we need it to model crappy sci-fi tropes common in literature, but it should be subordinate to the conflict between egalitarianism vs. authoritarianism. Egalitarianism and authoritarianism really ought to be added to the base game, but since they're not, quick fixes like this one will have to do. Maybe me or someone else will make a proper mod addressing this issue more completely in the future.

If you needed evidence that we need comprehensive mental health care...

...just read the comment section. Dear god.
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7 Aug, 2022 @ 7:04am
PINNED: "I disagree with this mod" - political discussion
Nationality
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Lambda 5 Oct @ 2:24am 
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Nationality  [author] 17 Aug @ 9:46am 
@WHATCHAMACALLIT
I'm not sure, but it is a very simple change and it probably still works.

Vanilla Expanded makes a similar change, so I use that instead of this mod.
WHATCHAMACALLIT 17 Aug @ 12:54am 
Is this compatible with 1.6?
Nationality  [author] 18 May @ 7:03am 
@UmbraLupus64 Certainly the loudest people are. Dunning-Kruger at work.
Aside from reading actual political theory, a lot of problems would be fixed if people at least googled before they committed to say or do something stupid. Even scanning a Wikipedia article is better than nothing. But a lot of these people distrust google and Wikipedia but will uncritically repeat half-remembered TikTok videos.
UmbraLupus64 18 May @ 2:36am 
Given how cancerous this comment section is, its pretty obvious next to none (and I'm very certain that's an overestimate) have actually read any socialist works before... maybe not even any written work by a political theorist or historian.

I mean, when 5 minutes of googling is enough to confirm without a doubt that Anarchism is a branch of socialist thought (like, literally read anything written by Kropotkin, Malatesta, Emma Goldman, etc., just a few paragraphs), it becomes immediately obvious a lot of people here are talking (shouting really) via means of explosive diarrhea from both ends.

Individualism vs Collectivism is a false dichotomy only spread by those who want to distract and draw false equivalence.
Nationality  [author] 19 Apr, 2024 @ 6:40am 
@Degen
Yes. The comment section is something of an epic dumpster fire. Admittedly, I contributed to it, but at least I am aware of my own terminally online brain rot, as @Gerewoatle puts it.
Gerewoatle 19 Apr, 2024 @ 4:38am 
@Degen: Terminally online brainrot will do that. I don't think any of them are actually capable of talking about anything else.
Swag 19 Apr, 2024 @ 4:02am 
Good god this comment section, I wasn't even going to consider getting this mod until i saw ~1200 comments on a simple ideology tweak
Nationality  [author] 25 Feb, 2024 @ 9:31am 
@Kalmin
There is no TRUE socialist state as there is no TRUE capitalist state. The "one drop" rule ought not to extend only one way. You should ask yourself to what extent the Finnish democratic control over their own economy contributes to their success, and what would happen if they gave up that control.

Virtually every state has a central bank and a public education system - two planks of the Communist manifesto, and most states have gone further, enshrining public health and housing and other rights. The Overton window has shifted way left over the past few centuries and even modern conservatives would be considered leftist radicals by the standards of the past.

The reality is, as you point out in Finland, that a strong democratic state adopts socialistic policies for its own interests. That is a good thing. I am a stronger democrat than I am a socialist, between a socialist policy and a democratic one, I'd pick the democratic choice. Happily, that dilemma is rare.
Kalmin 25 Feb, 2024 @ 7:48am 
Original comment was way longer... but 1000 character limit in a mods comments? thats fair