29 people found this review helpful
Recommended
0.0 hrs last two weeks / 13.0 hrs on record (12.3 hrs at review time)
Posted: 23 Mar, 2021 @ 6:24pm
Updated: 24 Mar, 2021 @ 12:29pm

I'm not going to rehash much of the content readily available in other reviews, nor explain the basics of the game as they are there on the Store Page and to be frank, if you are looking at this you'll probably own all the other entries before it.

The addition of naval warfare is fantastic, especially in skirmish. It's not easy (what is in a Eugen game?) but watching those exocets and harpoons fly as navies and seaborne aircraft engage is a cinematic feast for the eyes. As I say, this part of the game isn't easy and those with only a casual interest in RTT's are going to have a hard time even getting close to winning a map. But, the premise and the execution will keep dragging you back. Played in MP and it's...well, Goodnight Saigon, or Seoul as the case would be.

Multiplayer, the heart of all Eugen games from "R.U.S.E." on is great. The community used to be well behaved and often very helpful to newcomers and oldies like me who still make rookie errors after almost 60 years on this planet. Hey, we love these games; we often just don't have the quickness of mouse movement left in our wrinkly fingers (too much info?).

Unfortunately the MP community has become poisonous as it always does and drives many new players off the servers as fast as they join. Why they cannot just play a game, a GAME I repeat and play well with others is beyond me. Human nature...I shake my head.

The Campaign. This is my only real issue with the game, and to be frank it's my issue with all Eugen games dating back to "Act of War: Direct Action". It is HARD. "Air Land Battle" I found much easier than "European Escalation" (which I could never finish) and spent many hours in that Campaign.
This Campaign is just too different for one, and the A.I is viscous even on Easy. Some maps are simply unwinnable (of course many have won them, but there is one I just cannot win - the one with the mountain in the middle). There appear to be glitches in invading from the sea to the north - it worked at the start and then some patch seems to have ruined it. I've re-started the Campaign so many times I've lost count, but can't get more than a half dozen turns in without failing.

I'm afraid the age-old issue for SP Campaigns is as true here as anywhere. Make it challenging, and players will keep coming back to have a go, again and again. Make it too hard, and we will simply leave and play something we actually have a chance at winning. In the old days before YouTube we had Trainer programs, that while technically cheating (depending on how much you changed things) you were able to complete a game you otherwise could not or didn't have the time to. "Git Gud" doesn't cut it here (and never has) as you either have the knack for winning these games or you don't.

As as I say, I like a challenge, but I also like to be able to win, especially after almost losing. Eugen seem to pride themselves on making very hard SP Campaigns that the casual RTS/RTT gamer has little hope of actually winning. There is a difference to completing a tough mission and almost jumping for joy at having finally cracked that nut, to walking away in heated frustration at every turn. This is my only real criticism.

Pick the bundle up on sale and play MP, Skirmish or if you're feeling masochistic, the Campaign. All-in-all a solid step forward and I look forward to what Euegen bring to the modern battlefield after they are finished with the fabulous "Steel Division" titles.
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14 Comments
Herodotus 24 Mar, 2021 @ 1:16pm 
No, I checked it out and really I don't see it's worth, even though I do play "DCS" as well. I'd rather spend my dosh on going for a flight in the real thing, which I do so rarely these days.
Great to chat. Off to work:steamsad:.
Sober Mans Secret 24 Mar, 2021 @ 1:14pm 
I must say that i don't recommend paying for TACVIEW pro - it adds nothing to the game for me and a lot of others that i know playing. It's a novelty if anything and it sharp wears off.
Herodotus 24 Mar, 2021 @ 1:12pm 
That'd be great, thanks. I have quite a few DLC's for "C: MANO" and I noticed they are compatible with "CMO" so yeah can't wait for a good discount - which will come. Need to get my money's worth out of the first one yet.
Sober Mans Secret 24 Mar, 2021 @ 1:09pm 
The optmisation is getting better and it's vastly improved since the release date one of my fave scenario designers has just released the first version on MP mod which sounds promising too. I'll dig through my collection and find the best of the training scens for you and bundle them up. I think the steepest curve is knowing what different units are capable of / what then enemy has and what they're capable of. If you stick to a certain time period you can cut the curve down quite a bit. The LIVE scenarios are also very good for learning and have a tiny price point. If you do end up with C:MO then i'm sure you'll be over the moon to know that it's entirely backwards compatible :)
Herodotus 24 Mar, 2021 @ 12:44pm 
I downloaded some community training scenarios but would be happy to know of more. The ones that come with the game aren't helpful and the very first tute required a 1:30min video to explain it.
I believe I would plough many hours into the game, if I could just get into it. I still remember sitting in my carpark at work studying the manual for "Harpoon II" for hours, just for the fun of it as it wasn't really required with tutorials that were so easy to follow. I still Have "Harpoon 3: ANW" from Matrix that plays well on Win 10 but I'd prefer to play "C: MANO" ("CMO" at A$100 is a bit out of reach for me). I love the look of the maps, even if the optimisation is a bit off (like Aegod's first Civil War game).
Sober Mans Secret 24 Mar, 2021 @ 12:31pm 
Always happy to natter over discord etc to run you through the basics. There are however a batch of incredibly good training scenarios kicking around that i have in a collection. You're not the only one that preferred Harpoon mind but once you get to grips with C:MO it's worth it and you'll find yourself 2000 hours in lol
Herodotus 24 Mar, 2021 @ 12:27pm 
Thanks. Haven't played much of "C: MANO" as I found it vastly different from the "Harpoon" series that I spent hundreds of hours in. Don't much enjoy having to watch YouTube to learn to play a game. Might have to give it a real go.
Sober Mans Secret 24 Mar, 2021 @ 12:22pm 
Wargame has always had a toxic mp - people take it too seriously and like all games the minority ruin the fun for others. It's a real shame tbh but it's been that way since European Escalation and i don't think it'll ever change. Coop against the AI is great fun and comes grief and bigotry free :) Good author is Larry Bond. Another novel that i can recommend is H-Hour by a couple of the scenario devs for C:MANO / C:MO - I'll drop you a link :)
Herodotus 24 Mar, 2021 @ 12:15pm 
I will. I've not played Co-op and have only dabbled in MP. I hear MP has become a bit of a viscous place these days with new players being driven off the servers with racial epithets and the like. Looking forward to playing with S.A. ever since I read the Larry Bond novel "Vortex" about a fictional war in Africa. He was the co-author of "Red Storm Rising", but only Tom Clancy's name was allowed on the cover. He also wrote "Red Pheonix" about a second Korean War. Might have to re-read both now, come to think of it.
Sober Mans Secret 24 Mar, 2021 @ 12:09pm 
I never knew the AI was based on chess. In which case i am noew even more pleased that i have beaten a few campaigns! I was over the moon to see new pack released and it's wishlusted ( - A real word which i made up that sums up games that must be bought on pain of blueballs ) - I Reinstalled it when it was free on EPIC and been meaning to have a game with mate for a while, we have coop'd most of steel division 2 which was fantastic fun. I don't know if you play MP / Coop but if you do and need a buddy for a 2v2 or 3v3 then let me know and i'm in!