"point is that since most of us have jumped through the Steam hoop once, we don't really want to jump through a second hoop for no real discernible benefit."

This is what keeps the group alive. Now valve has their games on origin. Weird. buy one get one free. Why don't we get that? Oh well. Anyways new battlefield media is coming out every day looking better and better. Hopefully will be on steam and our efforts won't be lost.