O Skyward Collapse PvP

Help to merge the worlds of PvP and Skyward Collapse!

Alright, alright.. we all know by now that Skyward Collapse is a pretty awesome game. Its unique, challenging, rewarding, and so on; all the great qualities of any successful game. But sometimes we creators tend to favor one side over another.. while other creators favor the other.. and when all is said and done having 8 creators managing everything can get pretty hectic and wars breakout. How do creators fight their wars against one another? They grab the armys of Red and Blue.

If you want to see these epic battles and play to try and get one of the sides to beat the other, give PvP a whirl with the ruleset listed here (on the right sidebar) and report back to the group or guide on how it played out. This group is to help players find PvP matches. Let us all spread the word and help to refine the PvP ruleset into something all players can enjoy!

Our current Skyward PvP Ruleset

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PvP Wining conditions updated!

28 maja 2013 - __reth__ | Komentarzy: 1

From the Guide:

A quicker and much more perfered way to play is the first team, or side, to get 50 population above the other team (you do this check at the start of each turn right after the battles happen). So if Red has 110 population and Blue has 35 population, then Blue loses. If Red has 200 population and Blue has 150, then Blue also loses. This style of winning is perfered since PvP games are often decided early, since there are so many different ways for a player to shoot themselves in the foot. And it is also increadably hard to do a comeback in this game when a player does mess up.. which is why the first 10 turns are often highly stressful and every decision counts. Between two skilled players, this tension can theoretically span the entire course of the game.. which is what we are shooting for with this ruleset.

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Try it out! 50 is just a number we are throwing around since it is a significant disadvantage. Feel free to adjust the number mid-game to see how it pans out - especially if you can find a way to make the losing player make a comeback.

We are also thinking of assigning a population number to each of the myth units for balance. So if you have a total game population of 200, you can say have either 4 myth units that cost 50 population each or 2 that cost 50 pop., 2 that cost 20 pop. and 2 that cost 30 pop.. something to think about and test out. Report what you find!

Thank you,
John

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PvP Event! and Guide Updates

25 maja 2013 - __reth__ | Komentarzy: 0

PvP Event!

Early this week (Tuesday? Wednesday?) I would like to get some PvP matches going and see if we can't get everyone in this group online and playing at the same time to test out these rules against eachother. Bring your friends! We will be using hamachi to connect to eachother since that seems to be the best way to go and we will be switching PvP partners after every game or two to see how PvP pans out on a variaty of playstyles (if you don't know what hamachi is or how to use it, don't sweat it -- just download it from here[download.cnet.com] and shoot me a private message and I will give you a 2 minute tutorial on how easy it is to use to connect to a game).

I will be recording and I suggest that you do the same -- we will post the best/funnest match to the guide as a sample game for everyone else to watch! The goal of this event though is to get more of the rules set in stone. The more we get done, the quicker we can get the devs to get this in the game. It will take a lot of time, but it will be worth it in the end.

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Guide Updates

In the section Setting-Up the Game and under the subsection Factions -- this replaced the paragraph about our Norse vs Norse recommendation:

Through our playtesting, playing Greek vs Greek with all of the Rule Variations enabled (you'll read about them later on in the guide, so don't worry about what this means quite yet) and the difficulity set to hard makes for some awesome PvP gameplay. This is largely in part to the Minotaur de-buff and a metagame that involves ruining your opponent's seige production while protecting your own and laying out your towns to support this goal. Also the Greek Myth Tokens allow for timing attacks/myth unit drops and (unlike the Norse) allow archers to be a unit that isn't rendered useless. And having the better seige makes cleaning up bandits much quicker and it helps to focus the fighting on Red vs Blue. We may be completely wrong, but it made for more than one great PvP match in our own tests. As with everything else in this guide, try it out, tweak it, and discuss your results with everyone.

In the section Rule Variations -- we added a clarification to how myth units work:

"Unleash the Kraken!": For every x population your team has, you are allowed one myth unit. x is dependent on the number of players and which faction is being played. This needs to be experimented with to be balanced (since we really want to allow myth units in PvP matches, they are awesome after all). But for now we will baseline it at one myth unit every 50 population (about 2 cities). Try it out, pick a different number, and report back to everyone on what you think the 'magic' number is for each side, each age (round), and for different number of players.

Rule Clarification: Keep in mind that as long as you have 50 population showing at the top of the screen when you summon the myth unit, it is legal -- if you lose units during the action phase and the next turn your population goes down to say 45, you are able to keep your myth unit in the game. Going off of this, if your myth unit is destoryed, you are allowed to rebuild it immediately given that you have the population requirement.

We also added a new rule to address 'myth drops' (that have been quite annoying and frustrating to deal with):

"Medivacs R 4 Starcraft": Myth units may only be summoned directly ontop of an un-destoryed (read: non-ruin) allied building.

This is to stop 'cheap' myth drops that take advantage of players not being able to control units (ie, waiting until the enemy units move away from a town and then droping a minotaur to run around for a few turns while the other army reacts). It also helps maintain a front line for combat (pro tip: don't let your towns get surrounded.. when you get attacked from 12 different fronts then you are asking to lose..)

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Thank you all for your support and I will see you in a day or two on the battlefield!

-John

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__reth__

25 maja 2013 o 21:24

(by claiming a city, it only displays your name so that teammembers can keep track of who is building in what city, but it wouldn't disallow your teammembers from helping you build within your city (unless you check off a checkbox somewhere that makes it protected))

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25 maja 2013 o 21:22

I like that idea, maybe even just something as simple as claiming citys so it says the city name and under the name of the city it says the player that claimed it.

I also have been finding that delegating resources is extreamly hard with 3v3 or 4v4 matches. Still doable, but it takes a lot of teamwork and everyone being on the same page. This would make pick-up games very hard to play. We need to come up with a way to fix that. Maybe have all resources split evenly between the 4 players on a team and allow players to mark resources by clicking on them. When a resource is marked, it frees it up to the other players for that turn (so now it would only be split between the other 3). Finally, when you end your turn, all of your remaining resources get 'marked' so that your other teammembers can use your un-used resources.

Tonito 25 maja 2013 o 10:08

interesting game, I like the concept of making it pvp oriented. Having a team system or captain system that delegates out new cities and turn points as the map gets bigger could add a little bit of order once the map starts to get expansive. Just bought it today so i haven't played mulltiplayer yet but going to try it with a friend over hamachi later.

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