I guess I just have a different way of debating then. XD

Ursprungligen skrivet av 1Historygenius (Sen. C.):

All of you are ignorant, flat tax is the best!

Lol that's a great way to make an argument. First insult, then state it. Man, we're so polite here aren't we. XP

Ursprungligen skrivet av Nicholas II. Tsar of Russia:

Obama has done a good job?!?!?! What the fuck are you smoking?! And Bain capital didn't kill buissnesses, it helped buissnesses going through hard times.....Where is your proof that it "Killed' buissnesses???? Romney was not a bad governor either....but some stupid idea like that should be expected of someone like you who thinks Obama has done anything close to good for America.

Mitt Romney left Massachussetts with lots of debt, without having a financial crisis in the beginning. He also raised fees (aka taxes). And Bain Capital was a private equity firm. It's job was to make businesses more effecient by firing workers and lowers costs. But in some cases the companies went bankrupt, and in some they succeeded. Different situations.
And yes, I think Obama has done a good job. Mainly because A) He took office when we were loosing 800,000 jobs a month and now we're gaining 100,000 a month. B) He got us out of Iraq and set a timetable for withdrawal in Afghanistan. C) He repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell. D) He passed Obamacare, which saved money from Medicare, and once fully implemented is expected to lower healthcare costs. And I could list more. I'd like to hear a legitimate criticism from you besides the debt, which was mainly because of Bush policies and the Recession. And in fact, even though we've had $1 trillion deficits because of the recession, the deficits are slowly shrinking.

Ursprungligen skrivet av 1Historygenius (Sen. C.):

Wrong. The Civil War started under Buchanan's watch. South Carolina seceded from the Union while he was in office. Buchanan did nothing. Herbert Hoover could have easily fixed it, but he screwed things up by signing a high tariff and then intervening in the economy.

Buchanan was President on April 12th, 1861? Wtf that's obviously inaccurate. Abraham Lincoln took over on March 4th, 1861. The Civil War broke out a month later.

Ursprungligen skrivet av 1Historygenius (Sen. C.):

In fact, typically presidencies' records go up. People said Hoover was the worst at his time, just like they do now in Bush's time, but they are wrong because it is too early to say.

But Hoover really was horrible. So you're point is invalid. :P

Ursprungligen skrivet av 1Historygenius (Sen. C.):

http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/romneys-taxation/

"Romney's overrall tax rate was over 50%"

An overrall tax rate doesn't mean you paid that much. Especially when you're like Mitt Romney, who just like all the other rich people utilizes every possible loophole and deduction to pay as little as possible.

Ursprungligen skrivet av 1Historygenius (Sen. C.):

Yes, they raise revenue, and I have a source right here: http://titanicfan1000.deviantart.com/gallery/33347591#/d51h3wm

That graph showing revenue vs. spending plus key events like the Bush Tax Cuts is a good graph. But you are misunderstanding the correlation between different events. The reason tax revenues went up in the years after the Bush Tax Cuts were enacted was because we had a decent economy, and as the population increases, revenue increases. But notice how we still had a large deficit for all those years. It is proven that the Bush Tax Cuts, along with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, increased the debt. As I stated before, nearly half of the US deficit is from the Bush Tax Cuts.

Also, the person who posted that graph made a biased assumption. He thought, 'well, Bush Tax Cuts first, then after that the revenue line goes up.' But guess what, it's not that simple. Improving economies = increased revenue. Increased population = increased revenue. There are many other factors as well.

Tax cuts raise revenues??!?!??! Either you never payed attention to 1st grade math, or you don't know what tax cuts are. Tax cuts decrease revenue, which means an increase in the deficit. This was obvious when the Bush Tax Cuts were enacted. A CNN charts shows what our debt comes from exactly, and the Bush Tax Cuts accounted for over 50% of it.

He increased regulations in unnecessary places, while decreasing them on the banks, which is exactly what we didn't want.

And he made huge tax cuts which conservatives like, started two wars which neoconservatives like, etc. Saying he wasn't conservative is just plain ignorant.

Ursprungligen skrivet av 1Historygenius (Sen. C.):

What kind of tax plans do you support. Examples are progressive taxes, flat taxes, fair taxes, etc.

What are "fair taxes"?