Originally posted by shrek:

give my vote to unofficialaether and then remove it

LOL

Originally posted by Goldiecon99:

Originally posted by robomagon:

Because they're fully aware of their biological sex and it's not the one they want.

Oh, so you admit they they're aware; but are in complete denial and rejection? Agreed.

Rejection: yes. Denial: no.
Denial would be claiming to be the opposite sex and not actually taking any steps toward achieving that goal because you already believed it to be fact.

They don't deny their biological sex. They reject it.

Originally posted by robomagon:

Because they want to be the opposite sex.

Key word: want.
Meaning they aren't the opposite sex, but want to achieve that state.
In a way that Men wish to attain Female Beauty.
Or vice versa, with women wanting to be the man that they idealize.

I never said they were the opposite sex. Medically, the girl in the OP is still biologically male. She will never need to see a gynecologist. But socially, she's a girl. And I personally have no problem referring to her as such.

Originally posted by robomagon:

Not at presest, no. Although those who start early enough can be pretty convincing.

And since you say "Not at present", then that means that literally nobody right now can have a sex-change at this current moment in time; meaning that the boy in the video is actually still just a boy and the only thing they can do is look more "convincing".
Okay, next.

Originally posted by robomagon:

What? I don't know what that means without context.

fuck me another minor useless detail that shouldn't have been said, 'twas a mistake.
ignore it like the last one, which you joked about.

Originally posted by robomagon:

The DSM-5 states that: "gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition."

>American Psychiatric Association
Hasn't it already been covered that these people are also the ones who want to reel in transgender people, hook them up with drugs and have their genitals surgically removed in exchange for wads of incredibly money?
This is not forgetting to mention that this was only recently updated to accommodate the politically correct narrative; in the sense that they reassure it's not a mental disorder... even though we've all clearly came to agree so far Gender Dysphoria is that of Mental stature.

There's no way to prove either way if the information is biased for financial gain.

I also don't classify believing in conspiracy theories as a mental disorder. Should I?

Originally posted by robomagon:

Lots of people want lots of different things in life.

Yeah, so?
How does that compare to mentally ill people wanting to get hooked on drugs and having their genitalia mutilated...?

Originally posted by robomagon:

People use lots of things to change their bodies. Hair dyes, tattoo ink, laser hair removal, plastic surgery, gold teeth, laser eye surgery, cosmetics, mole removal, penis enlargement, breast implants, etc. Lots of people aren't satisfied with the bodies they were born with. That's not a sign of mental illness.

Nice strawman, since all of the examples you've listed don't pertain to basing one's own entire lifestyle and identity to being that of the opposite sex.

Learn what a strawman is. Of course none of the examples are the exact same topic they're being compared to. They wouldn't be comparisons then. They'd just be the exact same topic.

Plus, plenty of those examples aren't as harmful or costly as the Transgender treatment is.
Numerous amounts of people have reported debilitating side-effects of plenty of drugs like hormone blockers and they're also dependent on 3rd party hormones like Estrogen, because of the fact that they need it; since their bodies have trouble producing hormones.

Every surgery has risks. And just about every drug there is has reported serious side effects. Many, potentially life-threatening. Cost is cost. If a mans hair is important to his identity, he buys expensive crap to rub into his scalp for the rest of his life. And possibly has expensive hair transplants done. If he can't afford all that, then he makes do with a toupee.

Originally posted by robomagon:

Key word: eventually. Identify the problem, consider the possible solutions, fix the problem. Measure twice, cut once.

"Eventually" because they're already weened in on it for most of the time, it's almost inevitable for these trannies to turn out that way; and the only "possible solutions" that they have been gaslightted into believing was that their supposed treatment would help.

Let's just suppose for a second that you're correct and it won't help.
What solution do you know of that would help? Has it been attempted before? How did those attempts turn out?

Please don't say Jesus. Please don't say Jesus. Please don't say Jesus. Please don't say Jesus. Please don't say Jesus. Please don't say Jesus. Please don't say Jesus.

Originally posted by Goldiecon99:

Originally posted by robomagon:

It's only not a fact that they're biologically female. They're not denying reality. They're attempting to change their lives for the better.
I remember hearing about that.

But they aren't biologically female.
All they've done was get on hormones and mutilate their genitalia.
Much like how Bruce Jenner is still a man.
The boy in the video is still biologically a boy.
Even one of his videos, he confesses that he was born as a boy.
It is the title of this video, but obviously the language id different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl6pgpyBbLg

Whoops. I meant to add more to that part, but it looks like I forgot. Ahem.

I remember hearing about that. But his case actually does more to prove my point than yours. That kids gender was male. His parents tried to push a female gender onto him and look how it turned out. People need to express their genders to be happy. You can't force one on them with therapy and drugs. I can understand the parents mindset because they believed it wouldn't be possible for him to go through life as a man without a penis, but once it bacame clear that he felt like a boy and not a girl they should have respected that. It's the same as trying to force a boy who was born biologically female to act like a girl. Sure he's never going to have a functioning penis as a man, but forcing him to go through childhood as a girl is just going to fuck him up.

Originally posted by robomagon:

I'm not supporting any propaganda (which isn't a "bad word", it basically just means advertisement).
I'm not saying that people should be called anything. That would be PC. I'm simply personally willing to call transgendered people by the personal pronouns of associated with their mental gender rather than their biological sex. Telling other people what words they have to use would be PC.

Except in this case, you would be supporting Politically Correct propaganda.
With you "personally willing" to call trannies by what they think they are, is only you conforming to the politically correct & emotionally driven narrative that the media has kept on pushing for the past several decades, as they already have been with other things.

No, it's just me being considerate of others and not telling them how to live their lives. The fact that the result of that happens to be the same goal that the media tries to push is mere coincidence. Reversing my opinion on an issue simply to make it contrary to theirs would only make me an idiot.

"I'm not saying people should be called anything. That would be PC."
I think you're definitely confused on a number of things.
Firstly by using facts and analysis; you're able to identify someone as a male or female.

Only biologically, but go on.

Likewise using truth, facts and analysis; you would be able to conclude the kid is a boy.
"Telling other people what words they have to use would be PC."
That's exactly what you're telling me, that I should respect their pronouns.

I've said this multiple times but it seems to keep going in one ear and out the other with you. I'll try once more: I am not telling you or anyone else what to call them. Doing that would make me PC. I've only shown you how I refer to them. The fact that how I refer to them seems to offend you and that you seem to want to change it, means that you're acting quite PC yourself.

Honestly if you were listening to yourself right now, you'd get a good chuckle.
What I'm doing is to be honest, truthful and factual.

What you're doing is denying the fact that gender and biological sex aren't the same thing.

That also has nothing to do with Political Correctness.
In this scenario, I am the one who is "politically incorrect" for defying the narrative.

Defying the "narrative" just for its own sake just makes you a contrarian.

All you're doing is feeding their mental illness being politically correct, following the narrative and finally trying to detest facts with emotion; which simply doesn't work.

I resent the accusation that my opinion was reached due to emotion rather than rational logic.

Originally posted by robomagon:

A couple stories I hadn't heard before. Though nothing unexpected. I'm perfectly aware of the mass media having it's own agenda, though his claim of MSNBC lying was factually wrong based on the footage he showed. They're very careful not to outright lie and will obfuscate the truth and mislead their audience instead.

No, not necessarily.
You see, he demonstrated that MSNBC was clearly trying to hide the fact that the guy they zoomed in on with the guns was white; because that would negate the narrative they're trying to sell which would be; "Armed racist White Men with Guns to lynch the president".
So you can see that he wasn't even wrong on that point.
And obfuscating the truth is exactly what they try to do.
That's why you never heard about Kenneth Gladney before, not up until this point.

Like I said, they've very good at obfuscation and misleading their audience. You see, they never technically lied in that footage. They showed him and hid that he was black, likely because he was to most well armed and threatening looking which helped sell their agenda. And they only said that there were armed white men there, which I don't doubt that there were. They probably only had pistols and not an AR though so they showed the guy with the AR and conviently hid the fact that he was actually black. No outright lies, just clever manipulation of the facts to serve their agenda.

Originally posted by robomagon:

As for the overarching conspiracy theory though: No, it would simply not be logistically feasible for a small school of philosophy to start so many movements and manage them in such a way as to prevent them from logically bringing up points and forming conclusions that would counter to the school's agenda.

No and it seems like you obviously didn't pay attention.
What they managed to do was influence the United States culture(s) with the institution.
Anyways, even Bill Whittle says that he doesn't think it's "part of a vast Frankfurt conspiracy".
What's actually going on is that this politically correct narrative has been so widely and deeply embedded into the culture that it's simply what people believe.

I did pay attention. The problem is that it has to be a vast conspiracy to work as described. He specifically made it a point that all those movements would carefully aviod bringing up points that could damage the school's plans and only focus on the ones that would further their goals. That's simply not possible without constant control. You can't just start huge movements like that and not have them evolve on their own in directions you didn't plan for without always having influence on their current leaders.

Originally posted by robomagon:

Sorry, but I don't think I'll ever be using 4chan or it's clones for anything other than memes and porn.

Why is it, then?
Too "toxic"?
Watched that "creepy 4chan stories" video?
Afraid of disagreement, people not sharing the same opinions & you defending them?
Why are you so scared about the very notion of "4chan"? Aren't you 34 years old?
This literally doesn't make any sense, and it's totally immature.

The toxicity is a part of it, yes. It's just not worth the headache. I don't even like getting into these things too often on here. Multitasking on forums is a fun way to blow off steam, I don't want to bog it down with too much seriousness.

Originally posted by Goldiecon99:

Originally posted by robomagon:

These people aren't confused about their biological sex. They realize that it's not what they want it to be. That's the whole point of undergoing treatment and possibly surgery to at least get their appearance to match the sex usually associated with their gender. It's the best they can hope to achieve within the limits of current medical science.

If they aren't confused about their biological sex, then why are they mutilating their genitals?

Because they're fully aware of their biological sex and it's not the one they want.

Why are they trying to physically appear as the opposite sex?

Because they want to be the opposite sex.

They'll literally never achieve that state.

Not at presest, no. Although those who start early enough can be pretty convincing.

Except that they are, however.

What? I don't know what that means without context.

And yet, they're mentally ILL.

The DSM-5 states that: "gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition."

They're mentally ill enough to want it.

Lots of people want lots of different things in life.

They want it enough to the point they'll get on those drugs.

People use lots of things to change their bodies. Hair dyes, tattoo ink, laser hair removal, plastic surgery, gold teeth, laser eye surgery, cosmetics, mole removal, penis enlargement, breast implants, etc. Lots of people aren't satisfied with the bodies they were born with. That's not a sign of mental illness.

And eventually they'll go ahead and head straight for sex-reassignment surgery, cherry on top.

Key word: eventually. Identify the problem, consider the possible solutions, fix the problem. Measure twice, cut once.

Originally posted by Goldiecon99:

Originally posted by robomagon:

Affording each individual the dignity and respect due them based on their personal merit and abilities is not PC. It's just rational thought. Although modern feminists don't actually believe in that. Still, it's not a poor comparison, since you're acting like a modern feminist right now.

Unless they are completely dead-wrong.
They aren't being honest, and it's not a fact that they're female.
Often-times, they get "sex changes" to try and convince themselves in some way, while simultaneously trying to deny what's going on in reality.
They are mentally ill.
Except I'm acting far from being a "modern feminist".
A modern feminist is someone who fell for Cultural Marxist narratives.
Much like how MGTOW-nogs are just controlled opposition in that scheme.
Here's a video about Dr. John Money and his sex-swapping patient.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUTcwqR4Q4Y

It's only not a fact that they're biologically female. They're not denying reality. They're attempting to change their lives for the better.
I remember hearing about that.

Originally posted by robomagon:

Correct. He became a she and is a she now.

I made a mistake, and that was a typo.
I didn't mean to say that "he is a she".
Rather I meant "he is a he".
And no, he isn't female.

I know. My response was a joke.

Originally posted by robomagon:

Except that's exactly what you're doing.
Stop acting PC, please.

And yet here you are, blatantly supporting politically correct propaganda.
Which by the way, is exactly what you have been doing.
You're acting more of a modern feminist than me.
You're saying that people should be called the opposite sex of what they truly are, when absolutely none of it is based on facts; that they actually aren't the opposite sex.
All of it is only emotion and non-factual standards.
It's not a fact that they're the opposite sex, so they'll be called by what is actually true.

I'm not supporting any propaganda (which isn't a "bad word", it basically just means advertisement).
I'm not saying that people should be called anything. That would be PC. I'm simply personally willing to call transgendered people by the personal pronouns of associated with their mental gender rather than their biological sex. Telling other people what words they have to use would be PC.

Originally posted by robomagon:

Fine, I'll give it a look. Hopefully it's not too long.

It's honestly worth a good watch, glad you're at least giving it a look.
It's only about 12 minutes long, which is shorter than the type you've spent typing.

A couple stories I hadn't heard before. Though nothing unexpected. I'm perfectly aware of the mass media having it's own agenda, though his claim of MSNBC lying was factually wrong based on the footage he showed. They're very careful not to outright lie and will obfuscate the truth and mislead their audience instead.

As for the overarching conspiracy theory though: No, it would simply not be logistically feasible for a small school of philosophy to start so many movements and manage them in such a way as to prevent them from logically bringing up points and forming conclusions that would counter to the school's agenda.

Originally posted by robomagon:

I have never, and will never, go to 4chan to actually read what the people there have to say.

Why, because you're afraid of hurt feelings and they don't agree with you?
Obviously you don't have any quarrels with 4chan /pol/ in terms of quality.
If you want something that I'd prefer though, you can go ahead and post here, instead.
https://8ch.net/pol/index.html

Sorry, but I don't think I'll ever be using 4chan or it's clones for anything other than memes and porn.

Originally posted by ///AUTOMATA:

OP got vac'd 11 days ago lmfao

Oh, snap.

Originally posted by Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart:

Originally posted by robomagon:

I would do no such thing. Personal bias has no place is such decisions. And I don't even dislike you to begin with. I even support your own application.

I might have been exaggerating, but you have shown bias towards the Forum Filth members here before.

I think that might be more that the members we got from FF or who are members of both groups are in general a bit more agressive than others such that I don't really feel a need to use the kid gloves when talking to them.

Regardless of any feelings I have for them however: I personally feel that any authority figure at any level letting personal bias become a factor in their decision making is a gross misuse of power. It's something I would be disgusted with myself for.

Originally posted by Unicarn:

Originally posted by robomagon:

Sorry, I thought I was the oldest one on here and I'm technically still considered to be in my "youth" for another couple years.

How old are you?

34.

Originally posted by Goldiecon99:

Originally posted by robomagon:

You'd be a Napoleon, not the Napoleon. As historical figures to model your life after, you could certainly do worse.

but I am "The Napoleon".
You can't say otherwise.
Much like if I go say...
... that I'm actually a girl.

These people aren't confused about their biological sex. They realize that it's not what they want it to be. That's the whole point of undergoing treatment and possibly surgery to at least get their appearance to match the sex usually associated with their gender. It's the best they can hope to achieve within the limits of current medical science.

Originally posted by Goldiecon99:

Originally posted by robomagon:

You're not simply against something that's PC. You're being actively PC in your opposition to it. Like a feminist being sexist against men and thinking it's not exactly the same thing.

it's already PC to be a feminist.
once again, making poor comparisons.

Affording each individual the dignity and respect due them based on their personal merit and abilities is not PC. It's just rational thought. Although modern feminists don't actually believe in that. Still, it's not a poor comparison, since you're acting like a modern feminist right now.

Originally posted by robomagon:

She was born a he, you think she's still a he, and that everyone should call her a he. She most likely thinks she was born a she in a he body, and that she's a she now, and that she should be called a she.

That's because he is a she.
"born in the wrong body"
That's literally otherkin.
It's just simple fact.
Liberal faggots on the other hand, want to uphold that shitty narrative.
That's why the Media has been shilling so hard in favor of transgenderism.

Correct. He became a she and is a she now.

Originally posted by robomagon:

Both of those are PC views. An actual anti-PC stance is not to try and fight every PC view with and equal and opposite PC view of your own, but to simply make up your own damn mind and allow for everyone else to do the same.

That's not what any of it is about, like at all.
You're just writing your own definition of it.
Stop being a complete fucking retard, pls.

Except that's exactly what you're doing.
Stop acting PC, please.

Originally posted by robomagon:

And the Frankfurt school? Bunch of unrealistic, ideological, socialist BS from pre-WW2? I know enough of it to know that it's stupid. What of it?

I doubt that you know enough for Cultural Marxism, the Frankfurt institute for social research,
or anything at all that is honestly related to the subject of "Political Correctness", or anything that would be considered "politically incorrect" on that subject matter.
Once again, I'm going to post that video that even you should also see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrt6msZmU7Y

Fine, I'll give it a look. Hopefully it's not too long.

Here, since you obviously seem engaged in "political incorrectness".

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/
Give that website a nice look.

I have never, and will never, go to 4chan to actually read what the people there have to say.