Originally posted by Radiant Malevolence:

Originally posted by Dapper Cadaver:

He was not weak on face to face battle, he have a bloody shotgun, and frontier justice only give crit off sentry kills, that means you must have sentry destroyed to get the crit, and it have 50% clip penalty
If diamondback only have 3 shots trust me I would turn back to saying it's up

The Revolver can do nearly the same damage as a shotgun and has way more range... So Spy is good in face to face battle too.

You don't even understand how the game works at all, you just run around in braindead pubs.

Comp? In comp I have yet to see a spy with diamondback

I already said it's a weapon for pubs and op in pubs

Originally posted by 🎀 A_COCO 🎀:

Originally posted by Dapper Cadaver:

He was not weak on face to face battle, he have a bloody shotgun, and frontier justice only give crit off sentry kills, that means you must have sentry destroyed to get the crit, and it have 50% clip penalty
If diamondback only have 3 shots trust me I would turn back to saying it's up

But you can destory the sentry at will to get the crits and Engineer has to be close to his target. Spy doesn't. He's weak because he has to walk up to you before he can actually do good damage.

Ok listen to yourself
"Frontier justice is weaker than diamondback"
I can beat a engie with a freakin minigun with a critting diamondback

Originally posted by 🎀 A_COCO 🎀:

Originally posted by Dapper Cadaver:

It's a ticket out of trouble, along with dr, if you get a lot of kills off crap teams you get awarded, like, 1 extra life or 1 free kill whatever you call it

Except most classes do just as much damage as you with your crit. It's not a ticket out of trouble unless you're fighting against a wounded player. It's a fighting chance, because spy really doesn't have one most of the time. Also again, you mention crap teams. "It helps me carry harder if I'm already carrying."

3 fast 100 damage shots, fast reload and easy to aim in close range
Nope

Originally posted by Radiant Malevolence:

Originally posted by Dapper Cadaver:

Well
Give us an example for a class weak on face to face battle but get a crit whenever he do his job

Engie's Frontier Justice.

He was not weak on face to face battle, he have a bloody shotgun, and frontier justice only give crit off sentry kills, that means you must have sentry destroyed to get the crit, and it have 50% clip penalty
If diamondback only have 3 shots trust me I would turn back to saying it's up

Originally posted by Radiant Malevolence:

Originally posted by Dapper Cadaver:

It's a ticket out of trouble, along with dr, if you get a lot of kills off crap teams you get awarded, like, 1 extra life or 1 free kill whatever you call it

There's also a bunch of other shit in the game that gives you an easy kill or an easy escape. Often without any buildup required for it, unlike the Diamondback.

Well
Give us an example for a class weak on face to face battle but get a crit whenever he do his job

Originally posted by Radiant Malevolence:

Originally posted by Dapper Cadaver:

It's op in pubs, you get easy knife kills off unaware players and easy gunkills off pros, amby is used when you can't get stabs, well actually it's fine but diamondback is op

So, what you're saying is, Spy can roll over brainless players and the Diamondback makes it slightly more effective? Wow, never knew that. Did you know that almost every class in the game can do that? Wow.

Donno what you are talking about

What I mean is you can easily dominate noobs as knife spy, easier than every other class, and diamondback can, well, kill people with gamesense easily

Originally posted by 🎀 A_COCO 🎀:

Originally posted by Dapper Cadaver:

It's op in pubs, you get easy knife kills off unaware players and easy gunkills off pros, amby is used when you can't get stabs, well actually it's fine but diamondback is op

So you're telling me if the enemy team is super incompotent and can't kill me, the Diamondback is really good because it helps me carry harder?

It's a ticket out of trouble, along with dr, if you get a lot of kills off crap teams you get awarded, like, 1 extra life or 1 free kill whatever you call it

Originally posted by Radiant Malevolence:

Originally posted by Dapper Cadaver:

No backstab is way easier than aiming

Diamondback? Get 3 backstab and you have a ticket out of any trouble, take down a heavy in 2 seconds

That's the best case scenario, of course it'll sound OP. You don't know how TF2 weapons are balanced at all, clearly. They're all trade offs from the stock weapons that're more situational.

So normally 7 less damage point blank and 2 less far away

And get a 103 every stab you get and building you sap

Originally posted by 🎀 A_COCO 🎀:

Originally posted by Dapper Cadaver:

No backstab is way easier than aiming

Diamondback? Get 3 backstab and you have a ticket out of any trouble, take down a heavy in 2 seconds

Yeah, except you can't go get a backstab whenever you want, however you can aim at someone's head whenever you want. The Minigun will shred you unless you're far away from him.

It's op in pubs, you get easy knife kills off unaware players and easy gunkills off pros, amby is used when you can't get stabs, well actually it's fine but diamondback is op

Originally posted by 🎀 A_COCO 🎀:

Originally posted by Dapper Cadaver:

Diamondback is definitely straight upgrade and op, amby... Maybe you can remove the headshot speed penalty and make it minicrit on headshot

No second thought it will become a noob weapon

Not really. If you're caught out before you get any kills, you're at a disadvantage because you deal less damage. stock Revolver is solid all around, Diamond Back is good and bad depending on both very common situations that the player doesn't always have control over. It's not over powered, its downside's impact is just entirely dependent on the skill of your enemy.

You will never forget how good and bad it feels to shoot down a heavy with 3 quick shots