Originally posted by THORNCHILD:

Originally posted by Dr. Raven:

The FaN is overall bad though, and I wouldn't have any problems with the soda popper having mini-crits if it followed the FaN in terms of stats, minus the bonus pellets.

The FaN is pretty good IMO, there's just a curve on how to use it.
Yeah though, if the Soda Popper is going to get mini-crits; I'd be fine with a damage penalty.

Originally posted by Dr. Raven:

Soda popper has quick reload so it can compare to stock, it fires 6 shots slightly faster than the stock scattergun, and that's with reloading factored in for the soda popper, not the scattergun. Force-a-nature has a fairly slow reload.

No, it doesn't fire 6 shots slightly faster than the Stock Scattergun.
Neither of them do, even with the increased reload speed.
Here are numeral statistics that displays the amount of time for shooting 6 rounds.

• Scattergun: 3.75
  
• Soda Popper: 5.58
  
• Force-a-Nature: 6.486

Regardless, the FaN is okay.
Soda Popper just has the ridiculous reload speed.

Those stats don't sound entirely accurate. It's reload speed is 1.23 seconds. And it's firing speed is 0.315 seconds.
So shouldn't it go more like:
1st shot: 0 seconds
2nd shot: 0.315 seconds
3rd shot: 1.545 seconds
4th shot: 1.86 seconds
5th shot: 3.09 seconds
6th shot: 3.405 seconds


While the scattergun should look like:
1st shot: 0 seconds
2nd shot: 0.625 seconds
3rd shot: 1.25 seconds
4th shot: 1.875 seconds
5th shot: 2.5 seconds
6th shot: 3.125 seconds


So did the stats change from the wiki? Now that I think about it, it doesn't quite fire 6 shots as fast, but pretty damn close all things considered.

Originally posted by THORNCHILD:

Originally posted by Dr. Raven:

Yes but once you have the build up, which wouldn't be hard, it's pop whenever you feel like it. Crit-a-cola can't be used mid-combat, has to be used before for the most part. And even then I consider the crit-a-cola currently the most broken weapon in the game, we don't need a scout main copying it.

All else that needs to be done is increase how much damage is required to fill it up.
Again, it's fine if you can just pop the mini-crits with the Soda Popper.
We can already do that with the Cleaner's Carbine, and I think it's balanced.

Originally posted by Dr. Raven:

Also mini-crits are more benefitual to scout than any other class. He relies on dodging enemy fire rather than taking it. He relies on sneak attacks, so he doesn't have to worry, all he has to do is pop the mini-crits on a situation that's benefitting to him.

Well yeah, but he can already do that with the Crit-a-Cola.
He can't freely use the Soda Popper's gimmicky hops because he has to deal damage now.
Consequently for these gimmicky jumps, people are better using the FaN; and they both pretty much do the same thing by providing mobility and disorienting the enemy.
Except however, the FaN is much more dependable and performs better at both roles.
The knockback on it is pretty good for flanks, and the self-knockback is good for set-ups.
The Force-a-Nature has always been on-demand with this.
The Soda Popper was dependant on running around for gimmicky jumps
Now, it's dependant on dealing damage for gimmicky jumps.
They've made it much worse, and it's about time they actually made it decent.

The FaN is overall bad though, and I wouldn't have any problems with the soda popper having mini-crits if it followed the FaN in terms of stats, minus the bonus pellets.


Soda popper has quick reload so it can compare to stock, it fires 6 shots slightly faster than the stock scattergun, and that's with reloading factored in for the soda popper, not the scattergun. Force-a-nature has a fairly slow reload.


That's why this doesn't work. It essentially becomes an improved stock scattergun. Hell that's why I think it either shouldn't have it's insane stats or should lose the hype altogether.

Originally posted by THORNCHILD:

Originally posted by Dr. Raven:

The soda popper sounds op with mini-crits on demand. Pop them for a nice burst shot and you could two hit a heavy. Totally optional, so totally op.

You'd have to deal damage first to build up mini-crits with the Soda-Popper.
Crit-a-Cola provides mini-crits on-demand, while allowing use of any primary.

Originally posted by Dr. Raven:

Considering that the weapons fires fast, reloads fast, is basically a burst form of the stock scattergun. Without the hype ability this weapon could be considered sidegrade almost, and mini-crits without having to stop and drink like the crit-a-cola would make it an upgrade of stock for sure.

That is why you would need to mark players for death when they pop mini-crits.
Deal mini-crits, take mini-crits.

Yes but once you have the build up, which wouldn't be hard, it's pop whenever you feel like it. Crit-a-cola can't be used mid-combat, has to be used before for the most part. And even then I consider the crit-a-cola currently the most broken weapon in the game, we don't need a scout main copying it.


Also mini-crits are more benefitual to scout than any other class. He relies on dodging enemy fire rather than taking it. He relies on sneak attacks, so he doesn't have to worry, all he has to do is pop the mini-crits on a situation that's benefitting to him.

The soda popper sounds op with mini-crits on demand. Pop them for a nice burst shot and you could two hit a heavy. Totally optional, so totally op.


Considering that the weapons fires fast, reloads fast, is basically a burst form of the stock scattergun. Without the hype ability this weapon could be considered sidegrade almost, and mini-crits without having to stop and drink like the crit-a-cola would make it an upgrade of stock for sure.

Headphones for gaming is extremely overpowered. Sound whoring is a useful tactic in most competitive shooters.


But lately I find myself unable to hear spies decloaking for half way across the map or here footsteps in shallow water so maybe they nerfed the sound or my dx8 is interfering with sound. >:

Never heard of it as well.

What is Frg?

Originally posted by Orangeup:

Originally posted by Stake from Jate Farm:

4 is the most underrated gen.

Wish they would have done more underground things in later releases. I really miss doing that with my friends.

Gen 2 because it played it first. But I felt like Gen 4 had everything perfect in mind.

I've shot a hunting rifle once at a firing range in my own pasture. Can't tell you the model. I know nothing about guns. lol