Bad performance, input lag and bad mouse tracking with wayland in games and even on desktop

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76561199817613078 18 Sep @ 3:34pm

Why devels start to drop xorg on gnome/kde if wayland not good anyway.

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KingyWingy 19 Sep @ 3:34am

Because they are cognitively blind. And they do not care to see. If they continue to ignore these problems, Wayland will kill the Linux desktop.

C1REX 19 Sep @ 4:21am

For me it’s the other way around. Most distros with X11 lock me to 60fps, no HDR no VRR.
What’s the point in picking Mint when it’s more difficult to setup your screens and still no way to get HDR?

Good distros give two options out of the box or easy to donwload and integrate both.

I think Gnome dropped X11 completely so nothing to do with distros.

Last edited by C1REX; 19 Sep @ 4:22am

Ontrix_Kitsune 19 Sep @ 5:38am

I think you posted this in the wrong place. You probably wanted the Linux steam forums over here: https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/app/221410/discussions/

Smart 19 Sep @ 3:51pm

I predicted this as well....and here we are...!^^

Time is running up. For linux as well...!

Tick tock..!

Zef 19 Sep @ 5:15pm

Originally posted by 11111111:
Why devels start to drop xorg on gnome/kde if wayland not good anyway.

found the nvidia user, none of this is a problem on AMD

76561198787419409 20 Sep @ 12:33am

Originally posted by Zef:
Originally posted by 11111111:
Why devels start to drop xorg on gnome/kde if wayland not good anyway.

found the nvidia user, none of this is a problem on AMD

i got this issue with amd gpu, i dont use any nvidia gpu for last 20 years

76561198787419409 20 Sep @ 12:36am

Originally posted by C1REX:
For me it’s the other way around. Most distros with X11 lock me to 60fps, no HDR no VRR.
What’s the point in picking Mint when it’s more difficult to setup your screens and still no way to get HDR?

Good distros give two options out of the box or easy to donwload and integrate both.

I think Gnome dropped X11 completely so nothing to do with distros.

vrr working on amd gpu via DP connection on xorg

tørfisk 20 Sep @ 3:46am

install windows

C1REX 20 Sep @ 5:38am

Originally posted by play:
Originally posted by C1REX:
For me it’s the other way around. Most distros with X11 lock me to 60fps, no HDR no VRR.
What’s the point in picking Mint when it’s more difficult to setup your screens and still no way to get HDR?

Good distros give two options out of the box or easy to donwload and integrate both.

I think Gnome dropped X11 completely so nothing to do with distros.
vrr working on amd gpu via DP connection on xorg

Doesn't work for me out of the box any more.
Tested on OpenSuSE: wayland vs X11.

https://ibb.co/NgrD97WN - SuSE X11 DisplayPort (60Hz max - no VRR, no HDR support)
https://ibb.co/VWJ5pRF9 - SuSE X11 HDMI (4K120Hz, no VRR, No HDR)
https://ibb.co/93mVvzQJ - SuSE Wayland DP (full specs 4K120Hz, VRR, HDR)

HDMI2.1 is already a challenge for AMD due to licence problems.
However, I can still make it work and achieve seemingly impossible.
Full HDMI 2.1 specs on AMD GPU.
https://ibb.co/9mVypm2v

So Wayland is the only option for me personally.

Last edited by C1REX; 20 Sep @ 5:42am

76561198789537096 20 Sep @ 3:05pm

Originally posted by Zef:
Originally posted by 11111111:
Why devels start to drop xorg on gnome/kde if wayland not good anyway.

found the nvidia user, none of this is a problem on AMD

Amd, nvidia and intel gpus got the same issue. This is only wayland problem. Wayland are not for gaming.

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76561198789537096 20 Sep @ 3:12pm

Originally posted by C1REX:
Originally posted by play:
vrr working on amd gpu via DP connection on xorg
Doesn't work for me out of the box any more.
Tested on OpenSuSE: wayland vs X11.

{LINK REMOVED}https://ibb.co/NgrD97WN - SuSE X11 DisplayPort (60Hz max - no VRR, no HDR support)
{LINK REMOVED}https://ibb.co/VWJ5pRF9 - SuSE X11 HDMI (4K120Hz, no VRR, No HDR)
{LINK REMOVED}https://ibb.co/93mVvzQJ - SuSE Wayland DP (full specs 4K120Hz, VRR, HDR)

HDMI2.1 is already a challenge for AMD due to licence problems.
However, I can still make it work and achieve seemingly impossible.
Full HDMI 2.1 specs on AMD GPU.
{LINK REMOVED}https://ibb.co/9mVypm2v

So Wayland is the only option for me personally.

read {LINK REMOVED}, vrr working on debian, manjaro with xfce with DP. HDR not supported on xorg and i dont use HDR even on windows. HDR useless feature.

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76561198789537096 20 Sep @ 3:15pm

Steam delete links to archwiki, ahahahh, but valve use archlinux on steam deck. What a shame valve. You can find VRR on archwiki page.

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C1REX 21 Sep @ 2:41am

Originally posted by hello:
Steam delete links to archwiki, ahahahh, but valve use archlinux on steam deck. What a shame valve. You can find VRR on archwiki page.

What is your argument?
Why should I use X11 over Wayland?

SteamOS and almost any other distro have both installed by default. One popular exception is Mint where until the latest update I had FreeSync over HDMI working fine. It stopped working when installing new version. I’m pretty sure I could fix it but why should I bother?

Also why I shouldn’t like playing on a gaming TV via HDMI and with HDR on? HDR on Linux looks fantastic and much better for me than on Windows.

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76561198787419409 21 Sep @ 3:07am

Originally posted by C1REX:
Originally posted by hello:
Steam delete links to archwiki, ahahahh, but valve use archlinux on steam deck. What a shame valve. You can find VRR on archwiki page.
What is your argument?
Why should I use X11 over Wayland?

SteamOS and almost any other distro have both installed by default. One popular exception is Mint where until the latest update I had FreeSync over HDMI working fine. It stopped working when installing new version. I’m pretty sure I could fix it but why should I bother?

Also why I shouldn’t like playing on a gaming TV via HDMI and with HDR on? HDR on Linux looks fantastic and much better for me than on Windows.

LOL, seems you are not competitive pro player if you dont understand. For u will be enough 60hz monitor with enabled vsync

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C1REX 21 Sep @ 3:31am

Originally posted by play:
Originally posted by C1REX:
What is your argument?
Why should I use X11 over Wayland?

SteamOS and almost any other distro have both installed by default. One popular exception is Mint where until the latest update I had FreeSync over HDMI working fine. It stopped working when installing new version. I’m pretty sure I could fix it but why should I bother?

Also why I shouldn’t like playing on a gaming TV via HDMI and with HDR on? HDR on Linux looks fantastic and much better for me than on Windows.
LOL, seems you are not competitive pro player if you dont understand. For u will be enough 60hz monitor with enabled vsync

Is that your argument for SteamOS and gaming distros to drop Wayland support? Pro players use Linux with X11 only? Are you a pro?
Did you remove Wayland support from your distro? Why exactly?

Last edited by C1REX; 21 Sep @ 3:32am

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