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Abeltensor 30 Jan, 2021 @ 12:29am

The Parry system is so damned aggravating.

Was really loving this game until I got the parry.

Playing on a controller and having this move bound to forward is just terrible. I get that the developer was trying to emulate old 8 bit titles but they didn't need to completely translate over the controls too. Like yes, this is a very nostalgic game but the old control schemes were not always the best especially when they tried to bind 30 actions to one button. Back in the day that was a thing because we had smaller controllers, now a days some devs still do it but typically its to the game's detriment. Feels like a huge oversight to not even let us rebind the equipment button combos.

With the way it currently is, I can't seem to find the timing to get the parry to work especially in the air. On Subject Alpha phase 1, you basically have to parry all of his attacks if you want to do damage to him (took me a long time to get that one down). Then on his 2nd form, you have to attempt the same thing, except this time the projectiles are in mid air. Been grinding it for a like 4 hours now and still haven't been able to beat him. As a result the difficulty curve of this game just feels really skewed. It just feels like I am being punished because of the control choice, not because I don't have the game knowledge or hand eye coordination.

I'm fine with the choice to not let the main character crouch or aim the attacks. Also fine with how slow the character moves and the knock-back (in fact most of these make the game challenging in a fun way). I am fine with all of those old game conventions but damn its frustrating to have to deal with these controls.

Last edited by Abeltensor; 30 Jan, 2021 @ 12:34am

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PozerWolf

30 Jan, 2021 @ 5:35am

You're definitely over thinking it, and your letting anger cloud your judgement. Calm down.
You don't NEED to parry everything Alpha throws at you. It's very possible to defeat him parry-less, you have many other options to make the fight beatable.

As for the mechanic itself, it's fine. Don't force the idea that you Need to know/learn these aspects right away. It isn't necessary. You're ability to parry will come in time so don't worry (as long as you don't continue to become upset), and will realize how easy it is to perform a parry. Cause to me, I felt the timing was way to generous.

But overall, I'd say take a step back, take a breather, and allow yourself to explore other option to overcome said obstacles.

Princess Luna has Cyber Shadow

30 Jan, 2021 @ 5:39am

@Abeltensor
Be ready to see tons of "gIt goot" replies.

Radical Rat has Cyber Shadow

30 Jan, 2021 @ 5:45am

SF 3rd Strike Veterans: I'm about to parry this man's whole career

American Dove Mitten has Cyber Shadow

30 Jan, 2021 @ 5:46am

It’s pretty consistent to be honest. Just takes some practice.

You can literally brute force alpha with some good positioning

NEOGEOMAN 30 Jan, 2021 @ 10:44pm

Another game with the same parry system is Metal Gear Re-vengeance. It's harder in there I can tell you. Second form also can be beaten with patience, just slice and move away of the explosions, stay on the wall for the spikes in the floor. You can kill it without parry if it's bothering you that much, If multiple drones fly at you just do down+ attack them to land in front of the eye, slice and move away.

Toxi

31 Jan, 2021 @ 1:23am

Originally posted by NEOGEOMAN:
Another game with the same parry system is Metal Gear Re-vengeance. It's harder in there I can tell you.

Not sure what you mean here bud.. Parrying in MGRR is a joke with how stupidly easy it is, here you can only do the parry when the projectile is close to you, as opposed to MGRR, where you can just mash forward + attack like an idiot and you'll Royal Guard! everything.

Last edited by Toxi; 31 Jan, 2021 @ 1:23am

Milicona

31 Jan, 2021 @ 5:04am

I really have no issue with the Parry, I have found it to be very simple overall.
Though I'm not trying to parry everything like I'm sure some players will start doing.

Radical Rat has Cyber Shadow

31 Jan, 2021 @ 5:23am

You just need to practice it. Once you get the timing right and it become muscle memory, you'll parry projectiles on reaction without thinking of it

deathvortx3080 31 Jan, 2021 @ 6:12am

Parry is much easier if you disable >> to dash (its an option in the menu) and just rely on R or some other button to dash.. then you can just spam forward (to parry) once I did that, for the most part Parry worked most of the time.

PozerWolf

31 Jan, 2021 @ 6:59am

Originally posted by NEOGEOMAN:
Another game with the same parry system is Metal Gear Re-vengeance. It's harder in there I can tell you.

That's completely incorrect.
Parry is very, very different in MGR, and not to mention you can simply mash the input for it, making the entire game a joke. The only time this wasn't reliable was during the final boss fight, since parrying the boss will back fire.

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TemmieNeko has Cyber Shadow

31 Jan, 2021 @ 7:59am

Originally posted by PozerWolf:
Originally posted by NEOGEOMAN:
Another game with the same parry system is Metal Gear Re-vengeance. It's harder in there I can tell you.

That's completely incorrect.
Parry is very, very different in MGR, and not to mention you can simply mash the input for it, making the entire game a joke. The only time this wasn't reliable was during the final boss fight, since parrying the boss will back fire.

yeah parrying in MGR is hard...when ppl forget you have to buy the skill haha.

Last edited by TemmieNeko; 31 Jan, 2021 @ 7:59am

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ManTan 31 Jan, 2021 @ 10:07am

As a Third Strike player, parrying in this game is amazingly easy. And its earlier than you expect.

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Mina Miko 31 Jan, 2021 @ 6:00pm

@abeltensor
I know what you mean about alpha so hear me out, i found my salvation in stopping to try parrying him. it took a few more attempts but eventually you can figure out openings in his ♥♥♥♥. In phase 2 that meant mostly monkeying around to hit the eye and avoiding his projectile. idk if it sounds contradictory but it made the fight much more manageable and less frustrating

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Spooky Electric 31 Jan, 2021 @ 8:18pm

What are you talking about you have to attempt to do the same thing?? The achievement to parry is only for Alpha V1. Alpha V2 you have to do it by starting with no SP. There is no requirement to parry Alpha V2 whatsoever. Just jump attack or airstrike the red eye energy-ball offspring shooter thingy in the middle of his chest. I guess unless you're doing it for some personal achievement, which at that point, why get mad at the developer for trying to beat it in a way it wasn't designed to??

Edit:
Thinking about it, did you mean the second phase of Alpha V1?? Where he starts shooting twice in a row?? There are two different attack styles when he double shoots. One is the standard energy ball followed by a high up pointy energy shot. Don't bother trying to parry that one, just dodge it. Sometimes it's high enough that'll it pass over your head. The second is the standard enery ball followed by a low to the ground pointy energy shot. You can easily parry those back to back.

Last edited by Spooky Electric; 31 Jan, 2021 @ 8:35pm

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Abeltensor 31 Jan, 2021 @ 10:19pm

Originally posted by Spooky Electric:
What are you talking about you have to attempt to do the same thing?? The achievement to parry is only for Alpha V1. Alpha V2 you have to do it by starting with no SP. There is no requirement to parry Alpha V2 whatsoever. Just jump attack or airstrike the red eye energy-ball offspring shooter thingy in the middle of his chest. I guess unless you're doing it for some personal achievement, which at that point, why get mad at the developer for trying to beat it in a way it wasn't designed to??

Edit:
Thinking about it, did you mean the second phase of Alpha V1?? Where he starts shooting twice in a row?? There are two different attack styles when he double shoots. One is the standard energy ball followed by a high up pointy energy shot. Don't bother trying to parry that one, just dodge it. Sometimes it's high enough that'll it pass over your head. The second is the standard enery ball followed by a low to the ground pointy energy shot. You can easily parry those back to back.

Not talking about an achievement.

Part 2, he throws out those orbs that have no real telegraph. You can dodge them sure, but then you loose a ton of time to attack him. Not to mention that he sometimes will double up on the shots so its harder to dodge and in theory easier to parry (especially on his 2nd phase). So yes, you can do all of these fights without parry, but the parry mechanic was obviously meant to be used on both of the fights and to have to ignore it because its so clunky just isn't good game design.

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