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eharper256 has Star Traders: Frontiers

10 Jun, 2022 @ 11:29am

2024 Guide: All classes and talents

Okay, so I'm done with my new Steam Guide: COVERS ALL THE CLASSES and all the skills in STF, with a whopping 79 A4 pages of info. Check it out:
https://gtm.steamproxy.vip/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2819332809
And please upvote if you like it!
02/07/2022: I've updated the guide with a wad of information about shipbuilding, faction unique ship parts and ships and a quick overview of what they offer. Check it out!
15/07/2022: Updated with a 'how does I get rich FAQ section'.
23/08/2022: Updated with a small spiel about the new Wing Commando Captain.
14/10/2022: A few more tweaks to wording and typos fixed.
16/10/2022: At request; added availability information for classes.
02/12/2022: Some small updates to the faction equipment section were made to reflect a few of the new things in recent patches.
19/12/2022: Gunner Talent [Loot Armoury] was missing for some reason; possibly an accidental deletion at some point, not sure. Added it back in (at C-Tier).
31/12/2022: Updated Braced Fire and Balanced Blade to mention that they are used in conjunction with counterattacks and raised their tiers to compensate; along with description. Also some changes in descriptions to talents for clarity; and some more synergy suggestions added.
09/06/2023: Updated the ships section to account for the recent patch changes to the Wolf Vector, and the addition of the Acheron.
03/07/2023: Updated the guide to include thoughts and ratings for the new Level 15 Doctor and Combat Medic capstone talents.
02/01/2024: A couple new updates added since the last one but I was too lazy to edit this post. A couple new talents have been reviewed and some other small changes.
20/04/2024: Small amendement to Honour Guard skill as it was pointed out it no longer worked as it used to. Added a short section to the FAQ about fighting Xenos.
24/07/2024- Added Blade Dancer "As a Captain" section as that has just become possible.
28-07-2024- Revised [Blade Dancer Captain], [Bounty Hunter Captain], and [Ship Weapons Guide: Gravcannon] sections to account for new patch changes.
11-10-2024- Added Recruitment guide and numbers to the FAQ (i.e. best places to recruit new crew).
11-04-2025: Updated to add a short spiel on the new Doctor Captain type.

Last edited by eharper256; 11 Apr @ 10:49am

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256

10 Jun, 2022 @ 12:25pm

Hell yes, my man. I've only had a chance to glance at it so far, but this looks like a work of art!

Scathe

10 Jun, 2022 @ 2:07pm

lots of good stuff that I didn't know about, but, I did find one error. boarding talents, including thrown wrench, can be triggered without the boarding individual participating in crew combat. I have in two different games put thrown wrench on all 3 of my mechanics, and not used said mechanics in my away team, and when the victory over 4 enemy crew happens, you get 3 options, of which you can pick two, panic enemy crew, damage 1 component, and thrown wrench. you can have 3 thrown wrenches and 3 panic'd crew debuffs stacked all on the ship in 3 turns.

I did give you an upvote.

Last edited by Scathe; 10 Jun, 2022 @ 2:08pm

Tomcat

10 Jun, 2022 @ 2:12pm

I would read this if it were on steam and not on nefarious sites like google docs.

eharper256 has Star Traders: Frontiers

10 Jun, 2022 @ 2:20pm

Originally posted by 256:
Hell yes, my man. I've only had a chance to glance at it so far, but this looks like a work of art!

Thankyou muchly. Glad you like it.

Originally posted by Scathe:
lots of good stuff that I didn't know about, but, I did find one error. boarding talents

This is specifically if you're boarding from Range 1. Alot of boarding happens with the Gunner and Bounty Hunter talents or with your assault shuttles, and in those cases, you can only use the crew brought along. Thanks for the upvote; steam guide visibility is purely based on it for some bizarre reason.

Originally posted by Tomcat:
I would read this if it were on steam and not on nefarious sites like google docs.

Yes, yes, google is evil. So is steam. And capitalism in general, yadda, yadda. Just run ublock, decentraleyes, and ghostery on Firefox. Problem solved. Discussion over.

Trese Brothers [developer] 10 Jun, 2022 @ 2:21pm

Hypppppe!

eharper256 has Star Traders: Frontiers

10 Jun, 2022 @ 2:30pm

Originally posted by Trese Brothers:
Hypppppe!

I was noticed by senpai !!

MasterShake has Star Traders: Frontiers

10 Jun, 2022 @ 3:27pm

I admit, I'm confused. I liked your writing style and I admire the (surely, enormous) amount of work you put into, but for me it felt more like work of fiction, a subjective review of sort, not guide. By all means, I don't claim to be a source of absolute truth, but there's 50/50 points where I agree and disagree (or at least very much question statements). Can't even point them here, because since it's massive document it would take massive posting space (well, and efforts too, being honest).

Last edited by MasterShake; 10 Jun, 2022 @ 3:27pm

eharper256 has Star Traders: Frontiers

10 Jun, 2022 @ 3:46pm

Originally posted by MasterShake:
I admit, I'm confused. I liked your writing style and I admire the (surely, enormous) amount of work you put into, but for me it felt more like work of fiction, a subjective review of sort, not guide. By all means, I don't claim to be a source of absolute truth, but there's 50/50 points where I agree and disagree (or at least very much question statements). Can't even point them here, because since it's massive document it would take massive posting space (well, and efforts too, being honest).

Obviously and always, this is objective, subjective, and biased, as all guides are want to be. Nothing should be taken as gospel, it's just my opinion after a few hundred hours of play. There will ~always~ be use cases I haven't considered and situations I've never seen, hence all the disclaimers and explanations at the start of the guide.

I made it because I like the game, and I like making things. I like writing prose, and that absolutely shows in both of my steam guides and all my published works. Honestly, I wouldn't be able to write a purely statistical and factual analysis, I would bore myself to death before 10 pages.

Last edited by eharper256; 10 Jun, 2022 @ 3:47pm

MasterShake has Star Traders: Frontiers

10 Jun, 2022 @ 4:57pm

I have to disagree, guides want to provide what-s, how-s and preferably why-s. They are not to entertain neither author, nor readers (again that's what review is supposed to be), but to explain and guide, and with factual information.
But enough of me here, you asked to check it out, I did and already told what my impression is in the previous post.

Tomcat

10 Jun, 2022 @ 4:59pm

Ok I read it. Obviously there will be disagreements for vets. I have mine as well. But tbh, I was going to type up a very short opinion on my own tier list but never got around it.

I skimmed through really quick but my personal disagreements are:

Fortitude is the most important attribute. Quickness is useful in most combat classes but there are some that do not prioritize it. My preferred rifle build requires Str, Wis, Fort. But again, most classes are Quik, Wis, Fort.

Pistols are the crappiest of the three combat styles.

and Gunners can be fired indiscriminately. You can hire one later if you needed the talent involving +dmg or the boarding from range 3. Crews that fill in your ship stats do not benefit heavily from boosted attributes. You are better off trying to replace with higher level conscripts of ship crew so that you can fit in more space for things like command crew or specialists.

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I might actually write a quick one now since you have all the talents listed in yours. I wouldn't type everything since 90% of talents I feel are worthless compared to the better alternative. Pretty much saves are always Required Tier. Well, maybe only the space travel ones.

Last edited by Tomcat; 10 Jun, 2022 @ 5:23pm

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256

10 Jun, 2022 @ 6:16pm

I will say that, while I disagree with a lot of the talent tier rankings, the actual descriptions of use cases and such are SOOOOOO valuable for a new player, and the game mechanics explanations at the start of the guide are quite good too (again, even if I disagree with some of the strategy).

In a way, it's almost a shame that you included a tier list, because it seems very heavily skewed towards your style of play (which is not really a criticism, per se) and my biggest concern with this is that a new player might take far longer to discover their own playstyle having been steered away from some very powerful talents.

But as a resource for getting over the learning curve, there is nothing else anything like this to be found all in one digestible volume. So massive kudos and huge thanks for making this.

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Trese Brothers [developer] 10 Jun, 2022 @ 7:22pm

Originally posted by 256:
... the actual descriptions of use cases and such are SOOOOOO valuable for a new player, and the game mechanics explanations at the start of the guide are quite good too ...

But as a resource for getting over the learning curve, there is nothing else anything like this to be found all in one digestible volume. So massive kudos and huge thanks for making this.

Super valuable resource we have pinned and will be recommending for sure!

Every play style is different, every player ranking of things is different, so we'd love to see more players put this amazing amount of effort into sharing their knowledge!

Last edited by Trese Brothers; 10 Jun, 2022 @ 7:23pm

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Tomcat

10 Jun, 2022 @ 8:20pm

Began writing a blurb and got tired 2/3 of the way in.

But I remember why I was incentived to look at this.

I wanted to see someone else's opinion on a certain Wing Commando talent.

RIPCORD.

Yes, Trese Brothers. BUT WHY? BUT WHY DOES THIS TALENT EVEN EXIST!?!?!!??

Maybe we board with 4 wing commandos and have them all use Ripcord for the Just Kidding Lulz?

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eharper256 has Star Traders: Frontiers

11 Jun, 2022 @ 1:39am

Originally posted by Tomcat:
Yes, Trese Brothers. BUT WHY? BUT WHY DOES THIS TALENT EVEN EXIST!?!?!!??

You'll get no disagreement on me on that one, I also mark it as a 'but why tho?' talent in red.

Originally posted by 256:
I will say that, while I disagree with a lot of the talent tier rankings, the actual descriptions of use cases and such are SOOOOOO valuable for a new player, (snip) So massive kudos and huge thanks for making this.

Thanks. I pondered it for a while how to guide new players to the good without biasing them for awhile actually. Because ALOT of talents have so many weird use cases, I settled on a tier-list being the least offensive way to do it, compared to say, doing 1-10 or 5/7 ratings. (lol)

Originally posted by Tomcat:
Ok I read it. Obviously there will be disagreements for vets. I have mine as well. But tbh, I was going to type up a very short opinion on my own tier list but never got around it. (snip)

As I mention above, there is no way to keep everyone happy in a guide. Guides are just that, guides, not gospels. They are objective, subjective, and biased to my experiences. Feel free to make your own, of course. I'm not going to fight over individual interpretations.