That's Valve for you. They've been less-than-stellar in regards to the Steam Deck and their promises.

i hear gabe had to sell one of the support vessels for his yacht. guess they are on hard times.

Originally posted by Cornholio:

i guess this is the last piece of valve hardware i ever buy. just like the steam controller they release and then forget about supporting it.

Steam Controller is well supported since release. They even added bluetooth update after they discontinued it.

https://www.pcgamesn.com/valve-steam-controller-bluetooth-activated

feel kind of bait and switched here. steam os doesnt work for some of the software that i use.

What do you mean bait and switch? They advertised Steam OS. Steam deck is the old one out among consoles. You can play your existing library. This feature is crazy beneficial to the end consumer.

oled windows drivers? been almost 6 months

OLED deck uses non standard components.

https://www.reddit.com/r/WindowsOnDeck/comments/1823g46/oled_hdr_will_not_work_on_windows_according_to/

Takes awhile to write drivers and push through other vendor channels. Valve does not have control over Microsoft or AMD.

If you want day one windows support, you are telling Valve to abandon making custom silicon or choose more expensive supported parts. Valve invested in freedom rather than any single vendor.

If you wanted a Windows handheld, you should have purchased a Windows handheld.

Originally posted by Haruspex:

If you wanted a Windows handheld, you should have purchased a Windows handheld.

People misunderstand Valve goals with the Steam Deck. They just want to create fun stuff. The problem is old standards and gatekeepers kill creativity. Day one any OS support is a tall order regardless of companies. When Valve reaches for custom parts, Microsoft or AMD will probably refuse to help Valve support Windows because it cost a crap ton of money.

http://herpolhode.com/rob/utah2000.pdf

System research problem isn't new. Rob Pike lamented on how little the world has changed. The world became a little hostile to interesting changes.

This talk is a polemic that distills the pessimistic side of my
feelings about systems research these days. I won’t talk much
about the optimistic side, since lots of others can do that for
me; everyone’s excited about the computer industry. I may
therefore present a picture somewhat darker than reality.
However, I think the situation is genuinely bad and requires
action

Systems software research has become a sideline to the
excitement in the computing industry.
When did you last see an exciting non-commercial demo?
Ironically, at a time when computing is almost the definition
of innovation, research in both software and hardware at
universities and much of industry is becoming insular,
ossified, and irrelevant.
There are many reasons, some avoidable, some endemic.
There may be ways to improve the situation, but they will
require a community-wide effort

"But now there are lots of papers in file systems, performance,
security, web caching, etc.," you say. Yes, but is anyone
outside the research field paying attention?

Too much phenomenology: invention has been replaced by
observation. Today we see papers comparing interrupt latency
on Linux vs. Windows. They may be interesting, they may
even be relevant, but they aren’t research.

By contrast, a new language or OS can make the machine feel
different, give excitement, novelty. But today that’s done by a
cool web site or a higher CPU clock rate or some cute little
device that should be a computer but isn’t.
The art is gone.
But art is not science, and that’s part of the point. Systems
research cannot be just science; there must be engineering,
design, and art.

Originally posted by deaddoof:

Originally posted by Cornholio:

i guess this is the last piece of valve hardware i ever buy. just like the steam controller they release and then forget about supporting it.

Steam Controller is well supported since release. They even added bluetooth update after they discontinued it.

https://www.pcgamesn.com/valve-steam-controller-bluetooth-activated

feel kind of bait and switched here. steam os doesnt work for some of the software that i use.

What do you mean bait and switch? They advertised Steam OS. Steam deck is the old one out among consoles. You can play your existing library. This feature is crazy beneficial to the end consumer.

oled windows drivers? been almost 6 months

OLED deck uses non standard components.

https://www.reddit.com/r/WindowsOnDeck/comments/1823g46/oled_hdr_will_not_work_on_windows_according_to/

Takes awhile to write drivers and push through other vendor channels. Valve does not have control over Microsoft or AMD.

If you want day one windows support, you are telling Valve to abandon making custom silicon or choose more expensive supported parts. Valve invested in freedom rather than any single vendor.

bull crap. getting devs to support it was a lost cause

Originally posted by deaddoof:

Originally posted by Haruspex:

If you wanted a Windows handheld, you should have purchased a Windows handheld.

People misunderstand Valve goals with the Steam Deck. They just want to create fun stuff. The problem is old standards and gatekeepers kill creativity. Day one any OS support is a tall order regardless of companies. When Valve reaches for custom parts, Microsoft or AMD will probably refuse to help Valve support Windows because it cost a crap ton of money.

http://herpolhode.com/rob/utah2000.pdf

System research problem isn't new. Rob Pike lamented on how little the world has changed. The world became a little hostile to interesting changes.

This talk is a polemic that distills the pessimistic side of my
feelings about systems research these days. I won’t talk much
about the optimistic side, since lots of others can do that for
me; everyone’s excited about the computer industry. I may
therefore present a picture somewhat darker than reality.
However, I think the situation is genuinely bad and requires
action

Systems software research has become a sideline to the
excitement in the computing industry.
When did you last see an exciting non-commercial demo?
Ironically, at a time when computing is almost the definition
of innovation, research in both software and hardware at
universities and much of industry is becoming insular,
ossified, and irrelevant.
There are many reasons, some avoidable, some endemic.
There may be ways to improve the situation, but they will
require a community-wide effort

"But now there are lots of papers in file systems, performance,
security, web caching, etc.," you say. Yes, but is anyone
outside the research field paying attention?

Too much phenomenology: invention has been replaced by
observation. Today we see papers comparing interrupt latency
on Linux vs. Windows. They may be interesting, they may
even be relevant, but they aren’t research.

By contrast, a new language or OS can make the machine feel
different, give excitement, novelty. But today that’s done by a
cool web site or a higher CPU clock rate or some cute little
device that should be a computer but isn’t.
The art is gone.
But art is not science, and that’s part of the point. Systems
research cannot be just science; there must be engineering,
design, and art.

valves goals? to sell consumers a product and get money in return?

They sure have turned you into a loyal simp

Originally posted by Cornholio:

valves goals? to sell consumers a product and get money in return?

They sure have turned you into a loyal simp

I have my own goals. Put pressure on AMD and fix or open source their crap. Tell Valve to maintain their original promises. For the most part, it seems to be working.

https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/05/amd_mes_open_source/

Valve is a bit slow with upstreaming.

bull crap. getting devs to support it was a lost cause

Dude. Freedom matter a ton. Half the request on Steam forum are issues related to talking to third parties. Without freedom, community or Valve cannot do anything.

Originally posted by Cornholio:

steam os doesnt work for some of the software that i use.

How important are these softwares for you?
If you knew that Linux could not handle them why did you buy a device with SteamOS in the first place?

There are many other options with Windows out there.

Valve is already doing more than others by providing drivers for Windows and you need to understand that the focus is SteamOS. Windows support is secondary.

You are always free to do like we have been doing with Linux for years.
Drop to command line and start experiment with drivers.
Maybe, with some luck, one of them will work ;)

Valve does not support Windows on Steam Deck and they have said this from the start. The fact that they even bothered to make drivers back then was a kind act. They may do it for OLED, may not. End.

Originally posted by Superi0rJake:

Originally posted by 1337Dude:

That's Valve for you. They've been less-than-stellar in regards to the Steam Deck and their promises.

Agreed sell it while you can

Good advice.

Valve was busy making a giant orb. Hence no time for winodws drivers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpExNYMxALE

Originally posted by Haruspex:

If you wanted a Windows handheld, you should have purchased a Windows handheld.

I wanted what valve claimed they were going to do. you sure are a well trained simp.

Originally posted by 🌎Earth:

Valve does not support Windows on Steam Deck and they have said this from the start. The fact that they even bothered to make drivers back then was a kind act. They may do it for OLED, may not. End.

Yeah... No, on their official page for windows drivers it says "Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and Audio drivers for Windows on Steam Deck OLED are currently being worked on, and will be available soon." So basically "They may do it, may not" is not an option, so try not being so edgy when stating your own, personal, wrong opinions.

Originally posted by Chernobog:

Originally posted by 🌎Earth:

Valve does not support Windows on Steam Deck and they have said this from the start. The fact that they even bothered to make drivers back then was a kind act. They may do it for OLED, may not. End.

Yeah... No, on their official page for windows drivers it says "Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and Audio drivers for Windows on Steam Deck OLED are currently being worked on, and will be available soon." So basically "They may do it, may not" is not an option, so try not being so edgy when stating your own, personal, wrong opinions.

There was nothing "edgy" about it, no need to reflect. They may do it or they may not, based on how much time has passed and the fact that they are not really obligated to. Wouldn't be the first time they dropped plans either.