Dust & Neon

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Lites 21 Feb, 2023 @ 1:33am
I hate the welder boss
I honestly just can't coordinate enough to dodge lasers, spikes, and be on the right side of the open walls to take out this boss.
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zilk  [developer] 21 Feb, 2023 @ 2:47am 
I would suggest buying health, mobility and roll skills to help you move around faster while being able to do some more mistakes without dying. Also a tonic with the revive chance really gives you a second chance on this boss.
Slayer49 21 Feb, 2023 @ 10:19am 
Also, a tip if you are crouching those laser bars that move won't hit you. Just know once you aim you stand up.
I normally don't put points into upgrading my roll or movement, so I find this boss very difficult too, but knowing the crouch can save my life was wonders.
(If you get up real close to the grid of laser spikes, you'll go into cover/crouch stance)
Last edited by Slayer49; 21 Feb, 2023 @ 10:27am
TheAngryGrackle 21 Feb, 2023 @ 10:25am 
how tf do you crouch? on third fight and upgraded roll is too long and rolls into lasers isntead of the small gaps, and no cover to crouch behind
Slayer49 21 Feb, 2023 @ 10:27am 
Originally posted by TheAngryGrackle:
how tf do you crouch? on third fight and upgraded roll is too long and rolls into lasers isntead of the small gaps, and no cover to crouch behind

If you get up close to the grid of laser spikes, you'll go into cover/crouch stance!
TheAngryGrackle 21 Feb, 2023 @ 10:32am 
Originally posted by Slayer49:
Originally posted by TheAngryGrackle:
how tf do you crouch? on third fight and upgraded roll is too long and rolls into lasers isntead of the small gaps, and no cover to crouch behind

If you get up close to the grid of laser spikes, you'll go into cover/crouch stance!

Thanks. I noticed in a previous fight, I was crouching in between the "grid" of seams. Like the center of each panel I would be crouched, but not by the seams. Didn't happen again and thought maybe I was missing a button keybind or something.
Lites 21 Feb, 2023 @ 4:06pm 
Originally posted by Slayer49:
Also, a tip if you are crouching those laser bars that move won't hit you. Just know once you aim you stand up.
I normally don't put points into upgrading my roll or movement, so I find this boss very difficult too, but knowing the crouch can save my life was wonders.
(If you get up real close to the grid of laser spikes, you'll go into cover/crouch stance)

Wow seriously? Lol that tip just turned this boss fight super easy. Never would have guessed you could crouch the lasers based on the camera perspective.
Last edited by Lites; 21 Feb, 2023 @ 4:06pm
TheAngryGrackle 23 Feb, 2023 @ 12:16am 
Originally posted by Slayer49:
Originally posted by TheAngryGrackle:
how tf do you crouch? on third fight and upgraded roll is too long and rolls into lasers isntead of the small gaps, and no cover to crouch behind

If you get up close to the grid of laser spikes, you'll go into cover/crouch stance!

Just tried again and my character does not crouch no matter how close I get. Stopping, not aiming, etc. Just stands there. Between this and various aiming issues missing unless I'm on top of the enemy, I'll take a break and come back in a bit.
zilk  [developer] 23 Feb, 2023 @ 12:47am 
You can’t manually crouch, the player only crouches if there is a cover you are standing close to.
TheAngryGrackle 23 Feb, 2023 @ 5:44am 
Originally posted by zilk:
You can’t manually crouch, the player only crouches if there is a cover you are standing close to.

Then there are bugs or issues. I've had at least 2 fights earlier against this boss where I was crouching under the lazers as long as I wasn't aiming (RMB). Could move underneath them while walking and being still. Aiming stood up but would crouch after stopping aiming. Most attempts haven't been able to crouch though.

Or is there cover during this encounter I have miraculously been blind to? LOVE the game besides this fight; just seems inconsistent. I've beaten it twice, so it's not impossible, but with the extra lasers in the third attempt, with longer rolls you can't cancel/change-direction-of early, and no crouching, I'm just needing a break lol.
Last edited by TheAngryGrackle; 23 Feb, 2023 @ 5:47am
zilk  [developer] 23 Feb, 2023 @ 5:59am 
Originally posted by TheAngryGrackle:
Originally posted by zilk:
You can’t manually crouch, the player only crouches if there is a cover you are standing close to.

Then there are bugs or issues. I've had at least 2 fights earlier against this boss where I was crouching under the lazers as long as I wasn't aiming (RMB). Could move underneath them while walking and being still. Aiming stood up but would crouch after stopping aiming. Most attempts haven't been able to crouch though.

Or is there cover during this encounter I have miraculously been blind to? LOVE the game besides this fight; just seems inconsistent. I've beaten it twice, so it's not impossible, but with the extra lasers in the third attempt, with longer rolls you can't cancel/change-direction-of early, and no crouching, I'm just needing a break lol.

Hmm. Yes then I will look into it since something might be wrong. Some cover that isn't reset correctly so the player still thinks he is inside cover or something like that.

Will also consider tweaking the boss a little. Thanks!
TheAngryGrackle 23 Feb, 2023 @ 6:25am 
Originally posted by zilk:
Originally posted by TheAngryGrackle:

Then there are bugs or issues. I've had at least 2 fights earlier against this boss where I was crouching under the lazers as long as I wasn't aiming (RMB). Could move underneath them while walking and being still. Aiming stood up but would crouch after stopping aiming. Most attempts haven't been able to crouch though.

Or is there cover during this encounter I have miraculously been blind to? LOVE the game besides this fight; just seems inconsistent. I've beaten it twice, so it's not impossible, but with the extra lasers in the third attempt, with longer rolls you can't cancel/change-direction-of early, and no crouching, I'm just needing a break lol.

Hmm. Yes then I will look into it since something might be wrong. Some cover that isn't reset correctly so the player still thinks he is inside cover or something like that.

Will also consider tweaking the boss a little. Thanks!

No worries. Appreciate the communication. Thought I might be missing a mechanic or something.
C4rter 20 Jan, 2024 @ 11:50am 
Originally posted by Slayer49:
Also, a tip if you are crouching those laser bars that move won't hit you. Just know once you aim you stand up.
(If you get up real close to the grid of laser spikes, you'll go into cover/crouch stance)
That really helped me to beat the welder two times. Somehow, when beating the welder a third time, my character is not going into crouch anymore which makes the first part of the fight with all the lasers so hard already, that I'm almost dead when reaching the even harder second part.
C4rter 20 Jan, 2024 @ 12:03pm 
Oh wait, I noticed that in the second phase you can just stay directly besides the bosses walls. That way none of the spikes can get me.
And in the third phase, the crouching thing works again.
Deus 26 Jan, 2024 @ 5:54pm 
Man I need to test this out on the switch! Blasting through the level with ease only to get cheap killed at 24 damage a pop by lasers and spikes is infinitely annoying. I did find getting tonics and/or mind blow chips that replenish HP every second help, so you can just play “dodge the death” while your HP goes back to full, as the kill leach is great, but two small waves of enemies aren’t enough to offset the large amount of damage that the lasers and spikes dish out. Perhaps a perk that lowers trap damage would be a nice addition.
C4rter 27 Jan, 2024 @ 9:34am 
Just get through the first phase any way you can. You shouldn't have any issues with second (hug the boss' wall) and third (crouch glitch works again) phase then.
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