You can hate something and still enjoy it. (Sometimes)

I know right? It's like going to a football game, and getting mad there's no Nascar race.

It's like going to a KFC, and getting mad they don't have pizza.

It's like going 100 in a 25, and getting mad at the cop for writing you a ticket.

It's like calling a girl fat and ugly, and getting mad when she kicks you in the nuts.

Makes no sense.

From my experience, the argument boils down to Elden Ring, as an open world game, should be playable with friends in a way that doesn't "interrupt" them by the bad red man showing up. You can exchange "interrupt" as a reason why invasions are disliked by the following terms, which are often used instead: "Invasions break my immersion", "I did not consent", "Invaders are cheaters/hackers/griefers/bullies/only want to ruin the fun of others".

Usually all of the above is just code for "I am not able to deal with invaders and can't be arsed to adapt", which, you know, is not an issue, just like any other reason to dislike invasions is completely fine.

Sadly, most of them are not upfront for some reason.

I thought people who wanted to play with a friend got forced into this Invader PvP with no way to opt out?

Originally posted by Draknalor:

I thought people who wanted to play with a friend got forced into this Invader PvP with no way to opt out?

it kind of depends on how you view these games
you are forced into the invasion multiplayer by summoning since that's the condition of playing multiplayer
compared to the previous titles, Elden Ring is the only one with truly opt-in invasions for singleplayer
no being invaded while solo, which is how most people play these games afaik, whereas in Dark Souls you would often get invaded solo unless you did specific things to prevent invasions, and it usually came at a penalty like less max health or less flasks

I think there is merit to not wanting to be invaded while playing with others but the way these games have multiplayer setup I think if that was allowed it'd kill invasions which is what makes the multiplayer so unique imo
elden ring/dark souls just isn't structured well for traditional multiplayer, which makes sense as they're primarily single player games with multiplayer on the side
the unique multiplayer works well in the context of singleplayer but falls apart when talking about multiplayer exclusively

repressed desires