Prt.1 What are these "humans" doing with the beastmen when beastmen hate humans!?!?

Those who call Chaos Warriors "human" dont yet understand the Warriors of Chaos. These guys dont eat, dont go to the bathroom (thier armor is fused to thier bodys) mutate often such as growing an extra arm, eye, horn, or tentacle, and have no emotions in them other then rage. Thus their humanity is gone forever. And they only have 3 fates....They die in battle, they spawn, or they ascend to become a daemon. No other race considers them human, but consider them monsters. Beastmen see them as lesser servants of thier own gods, and themselves as the chosen children of chaos. Chaos warriors see beastmen as the retarded servants of chaos, and look down on them lol....But they work together, and work well. As long as there are enemies such as empire or any other to fight, they are actual friends. Till they have no one to beat up on, then they attack each other lol! I hope that clears things up for some of you who think its weird for warriors to fight alongside beastmen. Its actually the norm for them. _CONT_

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There are 4 main Chaos Gods, as you probably already know. They are Khorne, Tzeench, Nurgle, and Slaanesh. Beastmen Brayshamans serve one of these, as does the tribe. And often, they are sent to the side of Chaos Warriors through visions of these shamans, whenever the God wants a horde to form up and attack. The Siege at Praag in the Lore, for example, was one of the largest battles against the empire chaos has ever done, the invading horde was HUGE, as multiple Lords and Beastlords, as well as Daemon Princes and thier legions, slammed south into Prag. In estimation, there were 5 Brayherde and 6 Chaos Lords in the siege (where sadly many such as Mordred the Damned, Scylla, and Arbaal the undefeated) were killed. Khazak took part in this siege, alongside warriors such as Engrim Van Horstman and Arbaal the undefeated. Unfortunately, chaos was defeated by that empire scum on that day, but hopefully, you will lead another such horde of Warriors and Warherds, and see Praag fall!!!

Prt. 2 Attitudes and kinships of current LL's

The current available LL's each have thier own likes and prejudices in the Lore, so this section is for those who want to keep thier game loreful with Kohirabi's fantastic mod. And some fluff to help your battles more epic.....

Archaon

Archaon has a very devoted temporment. As one of only a handful of Lords who has been blessed and marked by all 4 gods (and that rarely happens) he does whatever advances the will of his Gods. Including having Beastmen or Daemons alongside him. He see's beastmen as a means to an end, and treats and rewards successful beastmen among his ranks better then most Chaos Lords, who treat them as underlings. Archaon serves chaos, and any who serve chaos within his ranks are accepted. The beastmen hold him in high regard, and fear him, as they are fully aware of his status as Everchosen.

Kholek

Chaos warriors are not the only ones who see him as a God. In earlier editions, the majority of a Shaggoth of any God who led an army (and who else misses Shaggoths as generals? I know I do lol). Beastmen revere him as the warriors do, and some openly worship Kholek as a lesser god of Chaos. In turn, Kholek respects the beastmen as allies.

Sigvald

Here is an exception. Sigvald wont ally with beastmen unless forced to. They are ugly, and Sigvald despises ugly. If your sticking with the lore, avoid using Beastmen, Trolls, or spawn in Sigvalds stacks.

I hope all of this was enjoyable and informative. I'm not the best writer, but this is all Lore-wise info that I hope leads you to a paradigm shift in how you view the alliance between the beastmen and the warriors of Chaos.

A huge thank you to Kohirabi for making this mod happen, and a huge thank you to you for taking the time to read.....Now crush those Empire dogs beneath your heel for the glory of Chaos!

Whilst this is correct, you're arguing for the other mod, and haven't helped this one in any way :P

I'd say beastmen fighting alongside chaos warriors =/= chaos warriors fighting alongside beastmen,

Exactly :) Whilst Beastmen are a means to an end, a chaos warrior would never fight for one. They are and always have been superior. They are the big bad guys, and beastmen come out and fight with them when they sense the omens of war. Not the other way round. (Not trying to bash the mod by the way, just countering the comment ;) )

Chaos operate in a similar way to the Orcs they all hate each other, all the factions wouldnt be caught dead with each other Khorne/Tzeetch Beastmen/Norscans and so on the only time they unite is when an Everchosen appears enter Archeon, if anyone has read End Times he had all 4 of the Chaos gods factions Warriors/Daemons ,Beastmen, Chaos Dwarfs, Norscans, Skaven and had the Vampire Counts/Tomb Kings split down the middle and these factions all fought together during a quite a few battles under Archaons command. At the end of the day if the Chaos gods decide that all things evil are following a Beast lord today they all might say WTF RLY? but they'll still obey the strong rule the weak die race doeasnt matter to the gods.

Exacly Shale. And yes, in older editions of Warhammer, Beastlords COULD command Chaos Warriors, so lore-wise, it has and can go both ways...... Warriors do as thier Gods command, and high ranking champions and lords actually commune with thier Gods and take whatever orders they are given....And if they send regiments to support beastherds the orders are obeyed without questions. And this is the case at times, as is beastlords aiding the warriors. Get a 6th edition or earlier chaos book and check it out. Just because the new book writers simplified the rules doesnt change 20+ years of lore :) Seeing this mod should be seeing things as they are really supposed to be.....These break ups (beastmen and chaos and daemons) alienated many players in the mid 2000s, and is a part of thier financial problems now, as Andy Chambers, who created the AWESOME lore of the old world, exited, and new writers proceeded to butcher what he had created, with disasterous results. For instance, you will find very few who liked or agreed with the "end times" changes, as people saw it as thier excuse for butchering Chambers established world......

And as a side note, while I totally agree Beastmen should have thier own force with or without warriors, the daemon split off is about as dumb a move GW ever made....Mainly because lorewise daemons were summoned by Warriors (whats up now? Self service summons haha) or granted as gifts to Lords that had pleased thier patrons...And whats worse, there are NOT enough variants of deamons to be thier own "thing" unless you want a boring army of all bloodletters and flesh hounds, or (and this makes me cring when I see it) a mix of deamons from various Gods (Slaanesh and Khorne on the same side...Ugh)....The Beastmen split off really didnt hurt the franchise, but the daemon split sure as hell did (pun intended)...I know at least 12 players just in my area that dropped out and quit rather then buying another half an army because of a stupid marketing move...CASH for the CASH GOD and all that backfired on GW, and I saw an article revealing that they know it too.....

Originally posted by rjward1999:

Whilst this is correct, you're arguing for the other mod, and haven't helped this one in any way :P

This is the link Kohirabi posted for Lore discussion, which is why its the one I chose to post this on XD Sorry if its in the wrong place, but as long as people get the idea and stop with the misrepresented perception of Warriors and Beastmen working together, is all good XD

And if you mean I didnt describe that Chaos Warriors would serve under a beastlord, read down. As I said earlier, I am NOT the best writer lol. But I hope that last post clarifies this mod as well as the other.

Originally posted by rjward1999:

Exactly :) Whilst Beastmen are a means to an end, a chaos warrior would never fight for one. They are and always have been superior. They are the big bad guys, and beastmen come out and fight with them when they sense the omens of war. Not the other way round. (Not trying to bash the mod by the way, just countering the comment ;) )

This isnt exactly true. While a chaos LORD would never serve them, warriors do what they are told by thier Lords and Champions, and sometimes those orders are to help attack beside or defend an allied beastherd.....Beastlords, until recently could take Chaos Warriors in thier builds. You have to think of it as more of a temporary alliance then them serving. A partnership that still respects rank. So because these beastlords could spend points on Warriors (until around 2010 in fact) they very well will serve under them.

Understand that I am in no way trying to be a jackass know-it-all...Its just that I have been a HUGE fan of Chaos (primarily Khorne) since the mid to late 80s, and I know alot of people are new to the lore, and as any fanboy would, I want to help them see the Olde World in the right field of perception so they can apreciate and enjoy the world as much as I do. Any fan of Chaos is a friend of mine (well anyone who is cool with me is at least haha, as I am very easy going ) XD If I can use what I know to make the game more enjoyable for a single person even, then that would make my week :)

If I remember correctly (and I'm pretty new to Warhammer so I may be wrong) the Dragon Ogres in particular have an affinity to the Beastmen.

The original army lists for Chaos had Beastmen recruitable. I have a screenshot somewhere... I think it's under warbands in 'The Lost and the Damned'.

I think it's an excellent idea and appropriate, it's unfortunate there is no emphasis on mercenaries in this game as they were a very integral part of the original army lists.

Interesting thread, thanks!

you even seem to say what I was thinking, Beastmen working for Chaos warriors =/= Chaos Warriors working for beastmen.

Beastmen might be willing to join Chaos Undivided but humans in Beastmen Warherds still being unreasonable, is this not what you were trying to say?

If you view Beastmen and Warriors of Chaos as basically a same-ish faction (which they used to be, lore-wise) it doesn't really matter if it's Chaos Warriors joining up with Beastmen or Beastmen joining up with Chaos Warriors.
A little like goblins joining a orc army or orcs joining a goblin army. They're both greenskins in the same way Chaos Warriors and Beastmen are Chaos.

And there's a huge difference between chaos warriors and ordinary/regular/uncorrupted humans. I'd rather kill myself (almost) before I added empire halberdiers to the Beastmen faction. :)

i have been chaos since i first started playing any warhammer game table top or other and have always noted that both beastmen and the warriors of chaos may at times hate eachother they will still fight for chaos so if that means fighting in the same horde they will hell one of my best and most undefeated table top armies was warriors of chaos but hell i had about 3-4 groups of beastmen in it to fill roles my main units could not like ambushing and such without both in the armies its just not chaos!!!!!

Would it be possible for Throgg to gather Beastmen into his Monster Horde?