Hegemony III: Clash of the Ancients

Hegemony III: Clash of the Ancients

Faction-specific General and City Names
jorellaf  [developer] 21 Nov, 2017 @ 8:57am
Additional Rules
Common in WEST GREEK
Artamis (Ἄρταμις) for Artemis except in Cretan.

DORIC
Factions: Syracuse (Corinth), Taras (Sparta), Selinous (Megara Hyblaea, Megara).
Other cities: Gela (Rhodes, Crete), Megara Hyblaia (Megara), Akragas (Gela), Heraklea (Taras + Ionians from Siris), Akrai (Syracuse), Kamarina (Syracuse until 552, Gela after 461), Helorus? (Syracuse?)

Corinthian
Ϙϙ (qoppa) disappeared in the 1st half of the 5th c.
eu (ευ) from e+o contraction (ε+ο).
Apellon (Ἀπέλλων) from Apollo.
Ϝϝ (digamma) retained in all positions.
nt (ντ) from lt (λτ), nth (νθ) from lth (λθ).
Personal names in -en (ήν) for -on (-ων); c.f. Ἀρχήν (Archen) vs. Ἄρχων (Archon).
Spelling of lengthened ε is E or EI (different from ε or η), and of lengthened ο is ou.
rr (ρρ) from rs (ρσ)
Several morphological differences with masculine -ᾱς stems.

Megarian
Ϝϝ (digamma) retained word-initially in 5th cent.
nt (ντ) from lt (λτ), nth (νθ) from lth (λθ), possibly np (νπ) from lp (λπ).
rr (ρρ) from rs (ρσ)
Spelling of lengthened ε is E (different from ε or η) or ει, and of lengthened ο is O (different from ο) or ou.
Possible interchange of ι and υ in words.

Argolic
Ϙϙ (qoppa) likely disappeared in the 1st half of the 5th c.
Spelling of lengthened ε is η and ει and ῑ, and of lengthened ο is ω and ου.
Sometimes ι from ε before other vowels (usually -a and -o), c.f. θιός (thios) from θέος (theos) in Argos and Epidauros, but otherwise usually ε.
Original long diphthongs lost the second element (βωυς>βῶς vs Attic βοῦς).
ο from εο before ντ.
Some ablaut stuff that might not be important.
Ϝϝ (digamma) retained in all positions.
Consonantal ι as ιι.
/h/ was very weak, and sometimes left out of spelling.
Intervocallic σ>h.
Some assimilation of aspirates?
Transposition of ρ (ῥόπτον [ropton] from ῥόπτρον [roptron]).
nt (ντ) from lt (λτ), nth (νθ) from lth (λθ).
σσ from ττ like Ionic.
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long list, tbc...

Laconian
Spelling of lengthened ε is η, and of lengthened ο is ω.
Sometimes ι from ε before other vowels (usually -a and -o) except when the ε was once followed by an intervocallic digamma, c.f. (thios) θιός from (theos) θέος
Intervocallic σ>h, later lost, e.g. Ελευhύνια (Eleuhynia) from Ελευσίνια (Eleusinia).
Possible interchange of ι and υ, influenced by previous ευ or the suffix συνη, e.g. Ελευhύνια (Eleuhynia) from Ελευσίνια (Eleusinia).
Some ablaut stuff that gives Ποhοιδάν (Pohoidan) from Ποσειδάων (Poseidaon).
Possible change of τ to σ.
More ablaut stuff that gives Ἀπέλλων (Apellon) from Ἀπόλλων (Apollon)
Ϝϝ (digamma) retained initially until ~400 BCE, intervocalically retained very early but likely lost in the 3rd quarter of the 5th century besides archaisms.
Some different forms of verbs.
Ϙϙ (qoppa) completely absent.

Tarantine


Heraclean
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Rhodian
Ϙϙ (qoppa) retained late.
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Cretan
Ϙϙ (qoppa) retained late.
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NORTH WEST GREEK

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Bibliography
  • A Selection of Greek Historical Inscriptions to the End of the Fifth Century B.C., ed. by Russell Meiggs and David Lewis (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1969).
  • C.D. Buck, The Greek Dialects, BCP Edition (Bristol: Bristol Classical Press, 1998).
  • L. H. Jeffery, The Local Scripts of Archaic Greece, Oxford Monographs on Classical Archaeology (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1961).
  • Roger D. Woodward, Greek Writing from Knossos to Homer (New York: Oxford University Press, 1997).
Last edited by jorellaf; 3 Jan, 2018 @ 3:30am
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Fristi61  [developer] 21 Nov, 2017 @ 2:24pm 
Great notes already!

This means we can split the current "Mild Doric" group into separate Corinthian (Syrakousai & Himera) and Megaran (Selinous) groups.

So we'll replace Megaran digammas with just "ou" unless it's at the beginning of a word.

The "nt"-"lt" is interesting. So for example Corinthian/Megaran "Antinon" vs other Greek "Altinon"?

I don't think there's any city names that have "eo" or "apollo" in them but still good to note for future reference (I think there's a DLC coming with probably new cities, who knows, those rules might apply there)


The mod doesn't deal with personal names but might be interesting to add those in the future potentially, so the -en vs -on thing is a good thing to note too.
jorellaf  [developer] 21 Nov, 2017 @ 5:07pm 
I am not sure about replacing digammas with ou. Intervocalic digammas would have simply disappeared and left a lengthened vowel in its stead.

Yes, Corinthian, Megarian and Argolic Minton vs Milton.

I put those there just in case, as it is possible that city names that could use those rules would appear at some point or another.

I'll keep updating the thread as I continue parsing the book.
Fristi61  [developer] 22 Nov, 2017 @ 1:43am 
Originally posted by jirisys:
I am not sure about replacing digammas with ou. Intervocalic digammas would have simply disappeared and left a lengthened vowel in its stead.

Ah, right, I remember now what the thing is with the digamma. I should clarify this more:

Yes, it would've just disappeared in their own words and city names.
However, when faced with a foreign name that had a 'w' sound, they would use 'ou' to approximate that after losing the digamma, rather than just ignoring it. At least, it can be found that way in later authors such as Ptolemy, who constantly uses 'ou' in place of the Latin 'v' in place names.

Since most cities on the map are foreign to the Greeks, I use, depending on the dialect, 'ou' or digamma (transcribed as 'w') to substitute for the Latin 'v' in those cases.

Something similar happens with the loss of the close back rounded vowel in favor of the close front rounded vowel in Eastern Greek. In their own words and names, the sound is lost, but when attempting to represent a foreign name that still has it they'd use 'ou' there as well.

At least, that's what my research so far has pointed to...
Fristi61  [developer] 13 Feb, 2018 @ 12:27am 
2018 has been really hectic for me so far, so I didn't get around to this much, sorry.
As far as my Hegemony modding work is concerned, this is now the first thing on my radar (while I also work on a secret side-project).
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