Worlds Adrift Island Creator

Worlds Adrift Island Creator

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you get a 'you were right' scooby snack - but- with caveats
so - while clearly i was speaking of- and thought the whole discussing was -
actual history , and the roman & east roman era- rather than legend:

it turns out you're (partially & potentially ) right! - and relatedly: on several of those, dead wrong.

the goths *coming* from scandinavia was attested to by their own "legends"
and was generally considered "bs" - or so I thought.
You made me look.
Turns out- it wasn't as clear-cut "bs" as I'd been taught:
was rather under debate: what I'd been taught was a legend by an unreliable source:
is actually - despite huge holes in area and time samples- supported by DNA evidence...
( oops! - historians doing the tree thing and ignoring archaeology forest?)
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-43183-w
- so scooby snack there. explains why you were on about funnel heads, etc.
...even if it's a millenia or so out of the discussion of Goths entering italy and the creation of the kingdom of Italy.

HOWEVER: your assertion they had to go east " to learn horse use" was... nonsense as usual:
https://www.medievalists.net/2012/08/herding-horses-a-model-of-prehistoric-horsemanship-in-scandinavia-and-elsewhere/

*IF* you were less stuck on the TREE you are staring at and would look at the "forest" - why you were so often lost- you get stuck on one quote or one (false ) preconception, or watch 10 seconds of a video and miss the point-
-- if you'd open up a bit past your pre-judgements ; you'd follow points more smoothly; and conversations would not be always de-railed by nonsense.

If you'd watched MORE of the video- the indo-european/indo-iranian wave of "aryan" invaders- were a horse culture- and took chariot-use and horse domestication with them. Everywhere.
Including Scandinavia.
If you thought the Scandinavians need to migrate to learn horse- domestication or riding;
lose that preconception,

If you were unaware the Keltoi were "all about" horse-culture; that's fine- but not something you want to argue about- easy enough to learn.

Same with auxiliary cavalry of Rome - easy enough to look up those were primarily ( in the west ) Germans and Celts. OK if you didn't know, but not something to argue about if you don't.

ANd likewise, the Franks- instead of getting stuck on a single, off-date quote, open your mind and your wider perception.
YOu incorrectly said the Franks under Charlemagne- his "companion cavalry" or Paladins -
were the first real "shock cavalry"-
- which is wrong *twice* - first, you should have watched the video i provided-
heavy cav is *much* older-
secondly, "shock" cavalry- is *generally* - outside of games- used to describe when saddle-type and stirrup makes true "shock" ( couch lance force transfer ) viable - but even with that, you get people using terms loosely or not agreeing- and there's plenty disagreement over who what when with the use of both of those - none of which matter, as that's NOT what charlemagne's frankish cavalry was using. (probably)
AS to the Franks- yeah, they may have been using more than their eponymous axe by the time they were a solid roman ally... and by the time they united most of europe under Charles the Great- before it split into France and the HRE.
...and gave part of the coast of France ( named after whom? ) to "normans"...
SO- another example of getting stuck on a single "tree" that applies to neither conversation.

So- yes, I was tired of your non-sense - when you're literally full of non-sense and simply *wrong* assertions ( see horse, heavy cav; or franks; above ) -
and so frequently killing discussion by going-off topic to *argue* pointlessly off topic- and incorrect assertions- stuck on a tree-
you can indeed see why i missed- for once;
while off-topic and irrelevant- you were RIGHT about something. And unfairly dismissed it. ( well, probably- it sounds like , etc. point is you weren't talking nonsense, een if it was off-topic by a millenia or so?)
on on the other hand, if we want to go that route, should we turn every discussion about migration into" well everyone migrated from north africa " or some such?
Unless you think those people magically spawned there, and *didn't* come with the rest of the indo-europeans.
There *were* people there before the indo-europenas- but are we saying they "spawned" there like a video game?

SO yeah, with the all the constant hopping off-topic to " just say something wrong" or, as you said, "nonsense" - - -
you can see where I over-looked you might *not* be talking out your adze, ill-informed nonsense for once.
And- hey- by looking up something you posited, I learned what I'd been taught- "dismiss that legend, it's from a an unreliable source" - needed to be re-examined.
At least one of us learned something :Bucco:

Last edited by Badger BrownCoat; 18 May, 2020 @ 6:44am