Hearts of Iron IV

Hearts of Iron IV

China National Focus
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Kappa(籠的傳人)  [developer] 5 Jul, 2016 @ 6:26am
Regarding PRC Focus Tree
As some of you are suggesting that I should do a PRC focus tree mod, you can voice some of your thoughts here.

Don't suggest ridiculous stuff like particle cannons or something like that.
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Dovahbear 5 Jul, 2016 @ 6:54am 
But particle cannons are really cool!
martsham 5 Jul, 2016 @ 7:58am 
Maybe have a focus to increase communist support in Rep. China? If thats not too op. Probably one to add fortifications or make building forts faster as well.
Chewy Yui 5 Jul, 2016 @ 8:36am 
Martsham comment is a good one! Maybe not a continual tick of it, but some ways to influence - the AI (at least from what I can gather) will not do party support at all
enrik_p 5 Jul, 2016 @ 9:00am 
Hear is some of my suggestion:

The Diplomatic Tree maybe "Communist International Majority"(CIM) opposite against "Localized Communist"(LC), CIM may take more support from Soviet(some tech research time half & extra factories) and could make soviet invite to faction in the end, LC could take Yan'an Rectification Movement(PRC version great purge) and increasing national Unity and Army experiences, plus can form its own faction in the end.
And choose to accept Nationlist China's Lead(Hitorical alliance event) or "we win the war ourself" to exchange non-agression/military access with Nationalist China.
And maybe make "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" happen much more earlier, and let PRC go Capitalism quickly?

Military Tree could seperated as Partisan Militia(PM)/Red Army(RA)/Intelligence Infiltration(II).
PM will raise Partisan chance in PRC core(maybe less under Nationlist China control), and then offer mountain specialist or Great battle doctrines research -50%.
RA offer artillery/support artillery and then mechanized/armor research -50% and army exp?
II will offer Mass Assault doctrines research -50% and decyption +1%(or more?) on PRC core or decryption research -50%.

I have no good idea about industy or economics - maybe opium farm system could increasing more factories (with lower untity as price?), or soviet experts will offer more factories or industry/construction research -50%?

Hope these would help.
good ideas :D:Eagle_hoi:
Camongrad 5 Jul, 2016 @ 9:53am 
(Sorry for my poor English, may be spelling problems and grammar failures, hope you can understand:)


The main dilemma for PRC (Communist China, PRC is actually established in 1949, and at that time the communist China can be referred to Communist Controlled China or Chinese Socialist Republic (This is also not that correct but, hmms, better than PRC...) so Paradox again screwed it up lol) is whether to follow theThird International's order; the Trotskism; or to fight their indivisual, localized revolutionary way out. Actually, this may also be tricky, as what I remembered, Mao had already wiped all opposing force to his ultimate leadership (or dictatorship, as people may think) at that time... need further investigation.

Also, a misunderstanding is that the USSR had better relationship with ROC than Communist China because Mao did not follow the Third International's order and fought his own way, what we call as Protraction Doctrine or Long-Lasting War Doctrine, and established partisans. It's main idea is that China must try to fight the war longer and longer to drag the IJA invaliders' legs so that China have more time to fully mobilize while the enemy got damaged, and to attract more western help.So maybe you can establish the special national focus, based on Mao's book, the On Protracted War.

A very brief translation to the chpters are:
-Initiative in War Time
-War and Politics
-Political Mobilization During War Time
-The Goal of Our War
-Our Offensive During Defends
-Our Quick-Winning in Long-Dragged War
-Our Insideline in Our Outside Line
-Initiative, Flexibility, Planned
-Mobilized, Partisans, Position Battle
-War of Attrition, War of Annihilation
-Chances of Taking Our Enemy By Surprise
-About The Decisive Battle During Anti-Japanese war (Or 2nd Sino-Japanese war, in your context)
-The Millitia Is Our Key To Victory
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Well, easier to find some names for stuffs, maybe:)

The Communist China can be specialized in partisan and millitia, as it's millitary equipments are actually quite weak in first-line front battlefield, it's more organized because of nationalism and communism. However, the ROC, which used to be a loose fedration of bunch of warlord cliques, it's millitary command system is more like a huge, weak, middle-age empire, where your own soliders will obey only your direct orders. Nobody is willing to se his own forces to be consumed in the war against IJA invaliders so, they just wait and wait and got isolated, attacked, taken prisoner and shot in the trenches. This can be used as some kind of buff or debuff, ROC can have a "millitary reform" which consumes time, creates rebels, but finally removes the debuff for them. And to achieve this buff, CHC needs to research the specific national focus.

During the war, some famous generals got promoted from common commanders. You can also have those realistic generals added after some specific focus. The generals are easily to be found on the Internet, and I have both original style protraits and realistic proitraits for them. I can send you if you need them.

And soon after the war, the ROC govt. got lots of problem for it's corruption and misbehavior about over-acting to the CHC as "Using former Japanese-governed-Chinese-Police (Chinese who choose to give up to Japanese and joined their forces) to re-capture the CHC controlled city", "Order CHC to stay in barracks while they themselves capture the former Japanese Controlled area (Too long, fJCa for short) ", "Rise the market price (the cliques mainly contributes to this) in fJCa or punish the innocent people just because they live in fJCa". People get annoyed about the ROC, and, without a third choice, choosed CPC. This could be some kinda debuff for ROC and a foucus like Propagenda for CHC.

Anyway, contact me via Steam chat and I can give you some further info about this.

And again, good mod, good job!
1 Even 6 Jul, 2016 @ 7:11pm 
There should definetly be a huge amount of focus on the various political roads which were open at the time. There were those who wanted close relations with the USSR, whereas others espoused homegrown ideologies (Maoism especially), and yet others supported international communism alongside Trotsky. There should also be some way of migrating, possibly; in real life the Long March was the last and greatest movement, but if, say, Japan doesn't do anything then there is nothing stopping another movement. It might also be cool to have a tree focusing on the other Chinese powers; casus bellis, anschluss style annexations, you name it.
There should be the abillity that if you go facist, you can take parts of mongolia like how the PRC takes parts of china
Kappa(籠的傳人)  [developer] 8 Jul, 2016 @ 6:20am 
Originally posted by ThatFlowerGuy(Mark):
There should be the abillity that if you go facist, you can take parts of mongolia like how the PRC takes parts of china

well, Mongolia is actually a single state, so you can't only take a part of it
Damn, atleast get a wargoal on them that doesnt piss of the soviets, like force them out of the comintern?
GamingActivity 10 Jul, 2016 @ 1:09pm 
Hi, i just downloaded the China focus tree, I was excited to play with it but I have some weird stuff in the focus tree like KMT_internal_stability or KMT_external_defense on all the tree. So if anyone can help me to solve that, I will appreciate, thanks and have a nide day !
Oransj 17 Aug, 2016 @ 11:51am 
One thing is definite! They need to take over china and subdue the warlords. Like an event that either they giva all their land to you or you get conquer wargoal against them.
Barack Obama 9 Sep, 2016 @ 11:03am 
I like to go a bit further with this threat to mark out some general and personal ideas for a tree.
(Personally i am somehow very interested in socialistic states like PRK, PRC, RSFSR)
The reason I am supporting the author: I cant program. To stupid and not enough time.
I can also support with subtitels and textes for national foci. Or maybe articels for the press

Please note that numbers and other values arent ready to use. They should only be a value to work with and for understanding what I do exactly mean. And note i am using the german version, which can result in different names for cities, countries and provinces
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Before I start, I would like to set the national unity (later on called NU) for PRC at 45%. It has the brackground of gigantic losses within the march. (80 - 100k startet, 7 - 9k arrived)
And the daily income of PP to 1.5 with a special national effect due to the march

Researchslots: 2

National Effects:
Long March: PP - 0.5/day; - 15% NU
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Political branch:

Undercategory: National events


"Widthdrawal into the Mountains"

The tree should start with the political and ideologic partat least with "Widthdrawal into the Mountains", especially as the game starts at 36, when the CPC retreated with their "Long March".

Maybe gaining some PP or so.
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"Xi'an Incident"

Further on with:
"Xi'an Incident" to initiate a truce (I know, it has been already somehow implemented but it should be a special focus to research) with China.

Reward: 5% NU; gaining some PP
Condition: Must be at war with Japan
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"Old Wounds will never heal"

After the war with Japan (I believe the player is capable of defeating Japan with China) the old conflicts between KMT and CPC will raise again

Reward: Gaining a Wargoal against China for conquering; if existing also against the other countries which are holding cores from PRC
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"Peoples Republic of China"

Mao calls out the PRC

Rewards: Removing effect "Long march"; adding effect: "Founded: PRC" (+0.5 PP); moving capitol to Peking
Condition: Must hold all core-provinces, PRC has claimed


Undercategory: Extern political events:

"We need more Place to Prepare"

Rewards: Wargoal against Shanxi (conquer Suiyuan, Shanxi)
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"Give us what is ours"

The whole area that is japanese colony

Reward: Wargoal against Japan (pupetting: Seoul, North Korea; conquering core states)


Splitting up into the following foci:

"Clainimg Ghuangzhouwang"

Ultimatum for France:
Giving Ghuangzhouwang or war (conquering Ghuangzhouwang)

Ultimatum without war should be at least possible when PRC has over 1 million troups at fields

Conditions: China is defeated
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"Claiming Hongkong"

Ultimatum for GB:
Giving Hongkong or war (conquering Hongkong)

Ultimatum without war should be at least possible when PRC has over 1.5 million troups at fields

Conditions: China is defeated
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"Claiming Tibet"

Ultimatum for Tibet:
Annexing Tibet or war (conquering Tibet)

Ultimatum without war should be at least possible when PRC has over 500k troups at fields
When Tibet chooses to go at war: Freedom of Tibet is guaranteed by UK and USA

Conditions: Focus "Peoples Republic of China" must be researched

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Category: Internal political events:

"Mao is the Future"

Rewards: Gaining national effect: "Mao is our Leader" (+5% NU; 120 PP or so)
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"The Mao-Constitution"

Rewards: Gaining national effect: "Mao-Constitution" (-25% of subversive activities)
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"Reorganizing the KPC"

Rewards: 120 PP or so
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"Reorganizing the inner Policies"

Rewards: Gaining national efffect: "Feminism" (+2.5% MP; + 10% Factoryoutput; Female Fighteraces possible)
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"Politicial Correctness and Propaganda"

Rewards: Gaining national effect: "Public Living" (-25% of subversive activities (to get after all a total of -80%), daily change towards Communism: 5% at 100% rate)
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"Installing Politcommissares"

Rewards: Army-Moral: +10%; Army-Organization +15%
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splitting into:

"The Mao-Bible"

Rewards: Gaining national effect: "The Mao-Bible" (-15% of subversive activities (to get after all a total of -80%))
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"Culture-Revolution" (Researchdays 210)

Rewards: Gaining National-Effect: "Culture-Revolution" (Loosing 1.5% MP (due to starvation and political clearing); -15% of subversive activities (to get after all a total of -80%), loosing some ministers like the Russians; Army-Moral +10%; daily change towards Communism: 2.5% at 100% rate; +1 Researchslot)

Conditions: "Great Leap Forward" focus is needed

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Category: Economy

"Reorganising from the Long March"

Rewards: +1 Civillian Factory to Shaanxi; +1 Military Factory to Shaanxi
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splitting into:

"Preparing for Civialwar"

Rewards: +1 Civillian Factory to Shaanxi; +2 Military Factories to Shaanxi
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"Infrastructure-Efforts"

Rewards: Adding Infrastructure x3 to Shaanxi, Shanxi, Suiyuna

Condistions: Conquered Shanxi and Suiyuan
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from: "Preparing for Civialwar" on:

"Civialwar again"

Rewards: +3 Military Factories to Shaanxi; +1 Civillian Factory to Shaanxi
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"Superior Technology is the Way to Win"

Rewards: +1 Researchslot
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"Preparing for War with Japan"

Rewards: +1 Researchbonus for Infantryequipment; +2 Military Factory to Shanxi; +2 Military Factories to Suiyuan

Conditions: Conquered Shanxi, Suiyuan
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"Great Leap Forward"

Rewards: x2 researchboni for atomic technology; x2 researchboni for rocket technology; +1 Military Factory for each province; +1 Civillian Factory for each province; +1 Researchslot

Conditions: China doesnt exist anymore
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from "Infastructure-Efforts" on:

"Knowledge is the Way to become great"

Rewards: x3 Researchtechnology for Building and Production
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"More Researchfacilities are meaning more Power"

Rewards: +1 Researchslot
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"We need a Way to keep them moving"

Rewards: +1 Infrastructure for Shaanxi, Shanxi, Suiyuan
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"Thats the Way a Superpower looks like"

Rewards: +2 Infrastructure for each Province; x2 Researchtechnology for Building and Production

Conditions: "Great Leap Forward" focus is needed


Army-Innovations, -Tactics etc I am not so specialized for. Maybe the orig. autor can do more over there.
That are all my ideas, suggestions and advices for a "lil" focus tree for PRC :)

Have fun :D
PhallicMetaphor 16 Sep, 2016 @ 9:13am 
If you were trying to reflect the GLF, you should get a debuff to industry instead.
Metalist 27 Oct, 2016 @ 5:51pm 
I think that relocating the capital to Beijing should be a national focus, rather than a event that pops up. This is because if you haven't taken control of the Beijing, it forces you to accept the capital you have when you begin the game.
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