Hearts of Iron IV

Hearts of Iron IV

August Storm
Land Doctrine Research time seems a bit much
600 days base time seems really long for researching land doctrine. I mean when you think about it practically it doesn't make much sense. For nukes it is understandable because nuclear physics is a very complicated thing. But, 1 and a half years just for to learn about trench warfare is pretty riduculous. I understand it taking a long time for land doctrines but around 350 days base makes more sense for research.
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Tr33Punch3r1 10 Aug, 2016 @ 1:29pm 
i second this
JackDa  [developer] 11 Aug, 2016 @ 8:48am 
In all HOI games Land docs were long to research. But, in HOI4 any average player is able to complete the whole tree in few years, which is totally stupid.

About your trench warfare example : most of the time it is already there from the start, so you don't have to research it. If you mean you need this because you chose to change your doctrine tree, then yes this is justified. At least because changing your whole Army habits and training method take time (a lot more than 600 days in peacetime, in fact).

In AS those doctrines are far more powerfull than in vanilla but also longer to research, indeed. You may have noticed too that many land doc research bonus has been added + many ministers add research boost + national spirits etc...
This tweak is part of the global AS balance system, so don't worry.
Actually, you rarely have to research a new land doc in "600 days". There are so many ways to get bonus...
Last edited by JackDa; 11 Aug, 2016 @ 8:51am
Tr33Punch3r1 11 Aug, 2016 @ 12:43pm 
Originally posted by JackDa:
In all HOI games Land docs were long to research. But, in HOI4 any average player is able to complete the whole tree in few years, which is totally stupid.

About your trench warfare example : most of the time it is already there from the start, so you don't have to research it. If you mean you need this because you chose to change your doctrine tree, then yes this is justified. At least because changing your whole Army habits and training method take time (a lot more than 600 days in peacetime, in fact).

In AS those doctrines are far more powerfull than in vanilla but also longer to research, indeed. You may have noticed too that many land doc research bonus has been added + many ministers add research boost + national spirits etc...
This tweak is part of the global AS balance system, so don't worry.
Actually, you rarely have to research a new land doc in "600 days". There are so many ways to get bonus...
Sir i have a question, i dont understand why the solders have the x and other units have different shapes, is that a thing you did because you didnt want to make images or because its more appealing? I honestly don't like it, i was wondering if you ever considered removing that.
JackDa  [developer] 11 Aug, 2016 @ 5:30pm 
I'm not sure what you are talking about. You mean NATO counters ? It is used in every realistic wargame since wargames exist...
dermus  [developer] 11 Aug, 2016 @ 5:34pm 
@Tr33Punch3r1: It will never be removed, we did it in permanent marker.
Tr33Punch3r1 11 Aug, 2016 @ 6:39pm 
Originally posted by JackDa:
I'm not sure what you are talking about. You mean NATO counters ? It is used in every realistic wargame since wargames exist...
this is my first paradox game and i really like how simple everything looks but when u bring the x's and the o's it looks weird.
Last edited by Tr33Punch3r1; 11 Aug, 2016 @ 6:40pm
Haman(fatty) 17 Aug, 2016 @ 6:19pm 
*sticks his head in the door* I for one really like the NATO counters. *leaves*
o-okay?
Alybear 6 Oct, 2016 @ 1:41pm 
@Tr33Punch3r1 These modders are extremely elitist and belittle people who don't like NATO counters. So that's never going to happen, unfortunately.
Graham 29 Oct, 2016 @ 6:16pm 
Originally posted by Alybear:
@Tr33Punch3r1 These modders are extremely elitist and belittle people who don't like NATO counters. So that's never going to happen, unfortunately.
Saying they are eliteist is a bit much. its their mod. Its their decision. Its what their fanbase has always prefered.
Navenis 3 Nov, 2016 @ 11:31am 
Originally posted by Alybear:
@Tr33Punch3r1 These modders are extremely elitist and belittle people who don't like NATO counters. So that's never going to happen, unfortunately.
Yes its so elitist not wanting to work for free to satisfy someone elses personal preference. If you dont like it the files are right there to edit, its not like they encrypted this stuff.
Last edited by Navenis; 3 Nov, 2016 @ 11:31am
Big Clint 10 Apr, 2019 @ 9:54am 
it's not much you p*ssy
fedcba 1 May, 2019 @ 5:31am 
I believe that given the huge bonuses from land doctrine, 600 days are a must
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