Dota 2
Wraith Night: Expansion
N 15 Oct, 2015 @ 10:55pm
Solo feedback after ~25 games
First of all: it's quite confusing that you can play the solo map with 2 people - I don't know if it's balanced for 1 or 2 people then. Some of my feedback is irrelevant if you play with two people, because you don't have these problems there. So please if you read this, remember that I only talk about solo.

- level 1: the healers make it extremely hard for many heroes to get past this level. basically you can't play half of the heroes, especially melee without aoe. the following levels are hard too, but they don't heal everything you do so you can kite, use the towers etc. I would suggest to lower the heal by 10hp/s so their heal is not higher than your dps

[two players can focus the healer and kill him]

- level 18: medusa hits like a truck, can tank quite well - fine by me, but the ult cd is too low. she spams it all the time making it impossible to really focus her. sometimes when you blink away she focus the towers and ancient instead of you so it's game over because she two-shots every tower. I would suggest to raise the cd of the ult 5 - 7 seconds or lower the damage by 10-15%
This level is the end for many heroes not perfectly suitable for this mode in solo

[overall dps are higher with two persons so you can kill her before she destroys both of you or one has very good support spells to ignore her ult]

- level 22: you get swarmed by 57895723857 units. the problem is: they do not focus you. even if you stand next to your ancient, let's say north, the units coming from south will kill the ancient. but because you are swarmed, you can't move (unless blink). but even with blinking, the units from north will attack the ancient. I would suggest (if that's possible) to raise their aggro-aoe so they don't lose focus just because you blinked too far (it's your death sentence)

[two players can split so they always have a target instead of your ancient]

- level 25: this level is just brutal. they seem to heal more than even necros aura can damage then (so more than 1,5% hp/s), take almost no damage from physical dmg because of 300 armor and (i don't know exactly what but) they have insane damage. I know it can be done because other have, but it seems to be manageable only by a small selection of heroes with the right skillset. Once BKB is over, you're screwed pretty much.

[with two player you obviously can cover the weakness of the other player, i.e. nukers are pretty strong here, but solo most die at 18]


another thing that bugs me a little is the very short timer until next round. you get the sapphires after lvl20, but have so little time to use them and build all the items from it (dota itself sucks right here). sometimes I have all items, but the item won't build, they lie somewhere on the ground etc. I would suggest to raise the timer from 10->30s after lvl20 to give some time to collect sapphires and build items from them


Thanks for your work on this mod, despite my criticism I really like the challenge. But I would like to be able to use some more heroes in solo, because if you survive lvl1-3, you gonna die at 18 if the hero is not ultra strong for this mode (i.e. Necro, Huskar, Alch). I don't want hard nerfs, it's just seems a little bit unbalanced at some points for solo. Maybe! you should even split the solo and duo map to have a better balancing between those modes, because I can imagine that nerfing for solo will make duo too easy.


Last edited by N; 15 Oct, 2015 @ 11:12pm
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sini 16 Oct, 2015 @ 12:53pm 
I would like to comment this =)

+ The healers are annoying, true, but you can get Battle Fury before this round, it is possible to split-kill them and use the towers @ base. Yes its difficult but a fine challenge at the beginning.

+ Medusa is really annoying, as solo player, there is nearly no chance to tank her ♥♥♥♥, disable her ulti or get away (skadi) even with blink she will catch you. Very annyoing. But with 2 players it is a hard but nice fight =)

+ Level 22 is it that one with those little bastards ignoring the trees and spawning Abbadons? Yes? I totally agree! AEO is for one player way to small, they just ♥♥♥♥ you up.

+ I disagree with the Round-Timer. To be honest, the first time I played and got to that point, I was confused and messed it up. But it found a valid solution =). First you only buy the items you can buy without the saphieres. Your stash is has 4-5 free slots. You just kill medusa and the next levels near the first tower at that shop. Now you switch one item (for example blink) into your stash, collect the saphiers, put them into stash, continue till you have 4-6 (whatever you need). Now stay in range to that shop and buy with the money you have the items you want (clicking on the highest item, (you should already have parts of it in your inventory like Vald or something). No items because of long build-lists will drop somewhere. Problem solved, just dont pre-buy further parts into your stash. The second time you do this, it is super easy. You can access your saphires then on all three shops =)
A second valid solution is to kill all Nyx and let the Weavers run around (1 or 2 of them). They will roam the map and you have time to build and kill rosh in peace =)
This also works on other Waves, (like the one with the Gyrocopters). If that is considert a bug, well then just use slow moving creep waves for that =)


The Level 26? 27? (I don't know, the ones with the many Dragons) is ... well I have problems with that ^^ You just can evade or tank that AOE or Poison-Damage they are dealing. Maybe I am doing something wrong. Right now I think to hop into the different spawns and kill smaller groups there, so they dont add up in one spot xD
Last edited by sini; 16 Oct, 2015 @ 12:55pm
N 16 Oct, 2015 @ 1:30pm 
Thanks for the helpful tip with the Round-Timer, I will try to manage it like you said!

Level 25 is the Dragon level, It's very hard and one mistake usually kills you =)
sini 20 Oct, 2015 @ 11:21am 
Hey and did you try it out? ^^ Works like a charm, right? ^^

Oh btw. I just made the Dragon Level ;) They are pretty easy, just engage as long as your bkb does allow, retreat, grab heart, wait repeat =)
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