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[TPPL] King Leonidas 24 Sep, 2016 @ 7:38am
Panzer N And Panzer M has wrong amount of armour
The turret Armour on the front of the panzer 3M should be atleast 70. or 72 since its High Rolled hardness armour compared to normal RHA if RHA its 100% High rolled its 105%. same goes for the front armour ;P . panzer 3 N should have 70-72 MM front armour aswelll . but not the turret

Originally posted by Normand:
[HOS]KingLeonidas, may you give some web-source links for this info?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0IbZGfTgUM https://youtu.be/aPfgmUwiJMA heres about the diffrent armour types. while i find some sources. and pictures





Originally posted by Normand:
[HOS]KingLeonidas, may you give some web-source links for this info?
<16:30:26> "King Leonidas": http://www.achtungpanzer.com/panzerkampfwagen-iii.htm

http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/nazi_germany/Panzer_III.php

Further down you can see Armour dimensions

Or you can be Lazy And just take a look at the photos

. correction is that High rolled armour is 105% better then RHA which is 100% and Cast is 90-95% it Varies. or you could do it easy and just add 70.

http://prntscr.com/cg1eux

http://prntscr.com/cg1f23

Tell me if you need more info
Last edited by [TPPL] King Leonidas; 24 Sep, 2016 @ 7:40am
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Normand  [developer] 25 Sep, 2016 @ 3:23am 
Pz III Ausf. M in Valour mod has 70mm front hull armor and 77mm front turret armor.
http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/436111076111159192/4643F1C3D4BB96094D88C6B7DC816C2373F6FC76/

Pz III Ausf. M flame version has same armor values (70mm front hull armor and 77mm front turret armor).

Pz III Ausf. N has original game armor values (50mm + 10mm shields armor).

What is your point?
Last edited by Normand; 25 Sep, 2016 @ 3:28am
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[TPPL] King Leonidas 25 Sep, 2016 @ 3:31am 
Originally posted by Normand:
Pz III Ausf. M in Valour mod has 70mm front hull armor and 77mm front turret armor.
http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/436111076111159192/4643F1C3D4BB96094D88C6B7DC816C2373F6FC76/

Pz III Ausf. M flame version has same armor values (70mm front hull armor and 77mm front turret armor).

Pz III Ausf. N has original game armor values (50mm + 10mm shields armor).
Then the Panzer 3 N should be changed to 20mm plus Shield armour. if you dont factor in that its high hardness rolled Steel
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Normand  [developer] 25 Sep, 2016 @ 3:54am 
But I have info that German steel had very bad quality at the 1944 and 1945 war period.

http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/02/06/on-german-armour/
Last edited by Normand; 25 Sep, 2016 @ 4:01am
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[TPPL] King Leonidas 25 Sep, 2016 @ 4:02am 
Originally posted by Normand:
But I have info that German steel had very bad quality at the 1944 and 1945 war period.
Yeh but these Tanks are 1943 and 1942 . i mean the front plate also has reinforced 20mm plate in the front hull. on the Panzer N. And i'm not talking about Steel Qauilty thats whole other matter i'm Talking about. Cast Armour . And Rolled homogeneous armour And High Hardness Rolled Homogenous Armour. in the youtube videos i sent you can hear about the diffrence.

The extra Front Armour on these Tanks are High Hardness Rolled Homogenous armour. why it wasen't use alot was that it took a long time to make. and it created Spalling even if it diden't penetrate. but this are Front Addon Extra Armour so the Spalling part woulden't matter. and the extra chance/ resistance to penetration it would give. would be better.

So if we go by the 105% That would make the plate 21mm Of Normal Rolled Homogenous Armour.

We could use skip this and just make it 20 though
Last edited by [TPPL] King Leonidas; 25 Sep, 2016 @ 4:17am
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Normand  [developer] 25 Sep, 2016 @ 11:49am 
Fixed
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[TPPL] King Leonidas 25 Sep, 2016 @ 12:18pm 
Originally posted by Normand:
Fixed
okay what about the panzer M not having 100mm pen heat Shell? ;P only thinking of 2 though
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Normand  [developer] 25 Sep, 2016 @ 2:02pm 
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/7,5-cm-KwK_37
Gr.38 Hl/A (HEAT)-70; Gr.38 Hl/C (HEAT) -100
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[TPPL] King Leonidas 26 Sep, 2016 @ 7:09am 
Originally posted by Normand:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/7,5-cm-KwK_37
Gr.38 Hl/A (HEAT)-70; Gr.38 Hl/C (HEAT) -100
Gr. 38HL/C … Hohlladung Ausf. C 5,00 kg 450 m/s 100 mm 100 mm 100 mm 100 mm yeh its here. the Panzer N dosen't have it which i found weird
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Normand  [developer] 26 Sep, 2016 @ 7:41am 
Gr.38 Hl/A (HEAT) has been selected )
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[TPPL] King Leonidas 26 Sep, 2016 @ 8:19am 
Originally posted by Normand:
Gr.38 Hl/A (HEAT) has been selected )
Wasen't that the early Heat Rounds. Panzer N was Pretty late probaly would have used GR. 38HL/C. although in limited
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