Team Fortress 2

Team Fortress 2

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Woozlez  [developer] 5 Sep, 2015 @ 1:07pm
Normal Mission Discussion
Please discuss how the difficulty feels, and what changes you could see to help make Normal better!
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CaptainBarbeque 7 Aug, 2016 @ 8:02am 
Here are a few names for the missions: (in no particular order)

-Buried Bots
-Coal Crackers
-(The) Iron Inquistors
-Gargantuan Goldiggers
-Oily Excavators
CaptainBarbeque 7 Aug, 2016 @ 8:03am 
and Maybe all the Soldiers (or at least some of them) Could have only Shovels/Pickaxes to enhance to whole underground Mine theme
Dogman15 31 Mar, 2017 @ 1:18pm 
Originally posted by CaptainBBQ:
and Maybe all the Soldiers (or at least some of them) Could have only Shovels/Pickaxes to enhance to whole underground Mine theme
I like that idea.
Package O' Lies  [developer] 1 Aug @ 9:52am 
I decided to beat this solo since I might as well review some things if its relevant now

Finishing Class Lineup
- Wave 1: demoknight
- Wave 2: sniper
- Wave 3: demoknight
- Wave 4: demoknight
- Wave 5: [SKIPPED] heavy
- Wave 6: pyro

General
- Package O' Lies [U:1:36810370]: putting this here so demo records
- Package O' Lies [U:1:36810370]: scout_bat or scout_bat_nys (looks better but is custom) for bat scouts
- Package O' Lies [U:1:36810370]: you don't need to put weaponrestrictions primaryonly on everything, only bloats the popfile
- Package O' Lies [U:1:36810370]: miner soldiers killing themseves as soon as the bomb upgrades is funny, but is insanely annoying as any cash collecting
- Package O' Lies [U:1:36810370]: class, should remove it
- Package O' Lies [U:1:36810370]: nys made a far better caber icon (and is free to use), use that one instead



Wave 1
- Package O' Lies [U:1:36810370]: a little on the weak side for the starting cash
- Package O' Lies [U:1:36810370]: would up the soldiers to normal ai, easy is weak against unskilled players and annoying for skilled ones, explosive
- Package O' Lies [U:1:36810370]: should almost always be normal at minimum


Wave 2
- Package O' Lies [U:1:36810370]: despite normal ai being only 1 level higher, normal ai heavies compared to easy ai heavies are UNIVERSES apart in strength, nerf these to easy
- Package O' Lies [U:1:36810370]: demos here are a huge difficulty drop off, thanks to the heavies being so brutal, up them to normal ai and have them
- Package O' Lies [U:1:36810370]: spawn demos in larger groups (probably 4 at a time) with a 12 maxactive and larger waitbetween, also unsquad them


Wave 3
- Package O' Lies [U:1:36810370]: outside of the miner soldiers both killing themseves and dropping cash, as well as having a hidden 50% damage bonus, this wave is pretty fine


Wave 4
- `Package O' Lies [U:1:36810370]`: the first subwave here is weaker than wave 1, I would either add a giant or 2 and/or replace the pyros+flares with normal/hard(if no giants) ai soldiers


Wave 5
- Package O' Lies [U:1:36810370]: this is the only wave I would actually call an awful experience. Being a massive dps test wave where everything has a hidden damage bonus is not very fun to play, and amounts to either suffering because you can't ever kill anything, or the giant escape plans having the same hp as a giant heavy is one of the biggest no-no's of mission design, shouldn't go much above 4.2k (highest valve gsoldier hp) if exceed it at all
- Package O' Lies [U:1:36810370]: Could replace the equalizers with the dwarf heavies (in support) and replace the bots squadded with the escape plans with something more lethal, maybe buff banner soldiers considering they're the only active ranged threat, and replace the gauntlets with something more lethal, perhaps easy ai heavies.


Wave 6
- `Package O' Lies [U:1:36810370]`: use pyro_reflect_daan for pyros that can airblast, but I wouldn't anyway since I would recommend replacing them with dragons furies anyway, the beginning of this wave is insanely weak
- `Package O' Lies [U:1:36810370]`: up demo ai to normal
- `Package O' Lies [U:1:36810370]`: use classicon demo_spammer (or demo_spammer_package, looks a bit better imho) for type 1 gdemos

No demo because test server had a hiccup and its corrupted now
Last edited by Package O' Lies; 1 Aug @ 9:57am
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